Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 11:24 AM CST

well, no shit. this sort of thing used to be called an \"October Surprise,\" brought to you by some of the exact same people now in the Bush II administration. of COURSE there\'s going to be some new big threat discovered next year, or WMDs \"found\" in Iraq, or something. sheesh.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 02:05 PM CST

Not that it matters if bush \'loses\', the dems will continue on the exact same path.

The \'environment party\' just voted overwhelmingly to confirm eco-terrorist Levitt to head of the EPA.

Oops.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 03:00 PM CST

Yes things will remain the same with the dems more or less. However Bush and friends would obviously much rather be governing themselves...the ruling class doesn\'t speak with one united voice. Sure most CEOs wouldn\'t give two shits who ran the country, but there are plenty of neo-cons on Bush\'s side that quite like being king of the world.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 03:27 PM CST

For personal reasons and on those reason alone do I want Bush out of office. Everytime I hear his voice on TV I get so angry and I can no longer stand the sight of that bastard....sure his politics are strange and fucking horrible but so are the democrats and I just want them in and the Bush Admin. out so that I no longer have to hear Bush, Rummy, and all the others. No politically I want the democrats in just so that the people living in the US can see what they are in reality, THE SAME! All the Howard Deans and the REv. Al Sharptons might say some really cool stuff but that is all a plo to get the lefties on their sides....once in office they will continue with the same shit. Unless they are willing to turn the US into a 2nd rate or even 3rd rate super power. \'\'If democracy breaks loose, the coprorations will just make the economy scream and hold us all responsible...\'\'

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 05:58 PM CST

We already saw that they were the same under Clinton. That didn\'t stop leftist morons from arguing that we had to \"support the lesser of two evils\" in 2000. It did, however, lead to mass disillisiounment and discouragement in the mid-90s which caused a big drop in activism, allowing the right to advance even further.

The rest of the elite may not go along with Bush if he does invade another country. They\'re having such a hard time in Iraq taking on another country would risk imperial overexpansion. If they can\'t handle the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan they won\'t be able to handle another. And I doubt they\'d pick Cuba for their next assault, it would be too difficult to conquer. The Cuban government actually has a small amount of (misguided) popular support, which would probably give Uncle Sam a guerilla war as difficult as Iraq or worse.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 07:05 PM CST

\"All the Howard Deans and the REv. Al Sharptons might say some really cool stuff but that is all a plo to get the lefties on their sides....once in office they will continue with the same shit.\"

i would think that would be a good arguement for keeping bush in power. his administration and its rediculously feeble attempts at PR make it easy to see the things that are going on. yes, it makes you madder because the atrocities are obvious, but with the democrats one would have to wade through the BS to find the real greedy intent of some actions. i think liberals and leftists hate bush so much becuase he lets everyone see to a greater extent the fucked up policies of the USA, and they can\'t excuse it or confuse it or explain it away, it forces them to make the choice to act or to remain passive. they hate bush becuase he makes things clear to them which makes them have to choose to continue the complacency and consumerism rampant under clinton, or to fight back....
so instead they just want to put someone in there who will tell them what they want to hear and not upset them... \"Dean for america 2004!!!\" translates to \"we can\'t take it and just to put our heads back in the sand!!!\"
bush gives us a lot to fight against, and makes the US govts position a lot more clear.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 07:24 PM CST

\"It should be noted that they will never introduce an order, without incurring danger, because few men ever welcome new laws setting up a new oreder in the state unless necessity makes it clear to them that there is a necessity for the laws; and since necessity connot arise without danger, the state may be ruined before the new order has been brought through completion\"
-niccolo machiavelli
Guess Rove did his home work

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 07:29 PM CST

Bush has done such a number on us that \"liberals\" \"leftists\" and \"activists\" are waiting in line to get fucked over by a democrat like dean.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 09:02 PM CST

Hail the great Noam Chomsky! For he is the Moses that will guide from this corporate dessert

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 09:32 PM CST

In spite of his odd error we cant ignore someone as lucid and sustained as Uncle Noam.He has been proved right on to many issues,East Timor,Man Con,etc,etc.
So are there any dangers to anarchists in this?
I would suggest only if we bunch up and present an attractive target (or shelling point,I think they call it.) See if I were an evil neo-cone head I would nuke Berkley as that would knock out a lot of anarchists and hand me the election on a platter.
Dig up \'Wag the dog\" and play the \'dont change horses in mid-stream\' bit.
We must watch this disgusting crew like Hawks,I would even suggest a pre-emptive strike of our own if that were not verboten here.(mod rule four,yadda,yadda.)
Just because your paranoid doesn\'t mean they aren\'t out to get youse and they are mutha-fucking desperate now,believe me.pr

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 10:01 PM CST

I think you mean liberal morons.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 31 2003 @ 09:50 AM CST

Being from Ohio I\'m so fucking sick of hearing about Kucinich I could puke. A bunch of ostriches waving flags while simultaneously burying their head in the sand. You folks are really getting annoying locally and now your tryin to infiltrate our humble cyber holy land. Hasn

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 30 2003 @ 10:43 PM CST

Spread the world to help educate the masses of American Sheep. Research your representatives, see what issues they have done and supported in the past, Not just the same old bullshit\" Oh, he looks honest, ... good personality...\" Freakin CRAP man!Check out www. kucinich.us One of the labelled \"insignificant\" Democrats running for President... Mother Jones just did an excellent paper on Kucinich who has some very liberal and socially just views. Don\'t settle for the lesser of two evils... Fuck Republicans and Suck ass democrats who only care about Greed, power and Money. Fight the Power !!!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 31 2003 @ 10:00 AM CST

The trump card Bush is hoping to pull out before his re-election will be Saddam Hussein in chains. Try electing anyone else with that photo op.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 31 2003 @ 10:01 AM CST

2 questions that could each spark huge debates, that i\'m tossing around in my mind right now:

-are you gonna vote in the 2004 presidential election, why/why not?

-whats up with chomsky rubbing shoulders w/fidel?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 01 2003 @ 11:12 PM CST

Ed209, I really don\'t want to hear your whining, incorrect facts about Kucinich. I\'m from Texas and I have had to live with Bush for 8 years as govenor and 4 years as president. So we see what not voting does... would you believe 60% of people voting for Bush are the Blue-collared (those getting screwed mostly by Bushites). So lets fucking educate people and get the vote out. Don\'t fucking complain about the system if you don\'t take part in its democratic process of representation. Wake up People!!!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 31 2003 @ 01:46 PM CST

chomsky will rub shoulders with fidel because fidel resists the US and he isn\'t a maniacal dictator, regardless of his ideological purity or that he does do SOME fucked up things.

and... fuck voting.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, November 03 2003 @ 12:14 PM CST

Texas huh? Care to place your vote on your favorite pie?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, November 03 2003 @ 01:20 PM CST

\"democratic process of representation\"

huh?!?!? you stumbled onto the wrong website or something?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 12 2003 @ 10:29 AM CST

\"For I am certain, men of Athens, that had I engaged in politics, I would have perished long ago, and done no good either for you or myself. And do not be offended by me telling the truth, for the truth is that no man who sets himself firmly against you or any other multitude, honestly striving to to keep the state from many lawless and unrighteous deeds, will survive, rather it is obligatory for the person who truly fights for the right, if he hopes to survive for even a brief space, to operate in private, and not occupy a public station.\" [Socrates in \'The Apology\']

\"It may be claimed that men of integrity would not become corrupt in the political grinding mill. Perhaps not; but such men would be absolutely helpless to exert the slightest influence in behalf of labor, as indeed has been shown in numerous instances. The State is the economic master of its servants. Good men, if such there be, would either remain true to their political faith and lose their economic support, or they would cling to their economic master and be utterly unable to do the slightest good. The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue.\"[Emma Goldman]
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...and the \'Dr Stranges\' of the world STILL think that an inherently corrupt system can be \'reformed\' if only the \'right person\' can be elected. The \'Dr Stranges\' know Kucinich has NO hope of being elected, or if he was of encting those \'reforms\' yet they still continue with their delusions. Wake up? teeheehee
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\"...yet the American worker... is still the most devoted champion of the \"grand and noble institutions of the greatest country on earth.\" Why? Because he believes that they are his institutions, that he, as sovereign and free citizen, is running them and that he could change them if he so wished.\" [A.Berkman]
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So go on Dr Strange. Try to change \'your\' noble institutions. Good luck. Then, when the full force of the state and their capitalist masters come down on you for trying to do so... you will finally be ONE OF US!!

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