Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 01:38 PM CST

\"(b) CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS- (1) Any person who claims, because of religious training and belief (as defined in section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 456(j))), exemption from combatant training included as part of the program of basic military training and education and whose claim is sustained by the local board shall, when inducted, participate in basic military training and education that does not include any combatant training component. The person may be transferred to a national service program, as provided in section 4(d).\"

That is what they consider a conscientious objector? It is not like those can be said to be influenced by conscience, but by their religious dogma. I would call a conscientious objector someone who is bothered serving in military that bombs people to further their own nations heghemony.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 02:40 PM CST

Well... You can only be drafted if you register. Do most anarchists register with selective services? Personally, I am going to be turning 18 soon, and I plan on not registering.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 02:54 PM CST

well. they can\'t draft me. I am a Transsexual Anarchist. I don\'t think they want someone like me in the military. As far as not regestering with the selective service. Its a crime not to register. I don\'t know what the penalty is or how easy it is to get busted. if many people don\'t register I wonder if they would try to bust them all?.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 03:07 PM CST

If I\'m not mistaken, anarchists aren\'t allowed in the military, and foreign anarchists are technically not allowed in the country, though enforcement is an entirely different matter.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 03:21 PM CST

This bill would mandate a year of military training for young men, and make it available to female volunteers. If I understand Section 13 right, it\'s not a bill to draft people into active duty. Yet.

It seems like this would be a kind of mandatory national military service without being on active duty. It still sucks.

And yes, Nikkos, they are saying that only a religious test shall matter as regards Conscientious Objection. And these people would still have to be brainw--, I mean, *educated* in \"physical fitness, international relations, military tactics, homeland security, United States and world history, vocational training, and such other topics as the Secretary considers appropriate\", but without \"any combatant training component.\"

(And I thought the right wing in this country didn\'t want the Federal Government involved in education!)

Unlike during the Vietnam War, there appears to be no exemption for men in college or men who are married. Maybe that would be left up to the local draft boards.

I hope this does not go through.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 04:04 PM CST

About registersting for Selective service. I registered because otherwise I couldnt get some state money down here to go to college. My friend is 18 and hasn\'t and in fact a lot of people don\'t register just because they don\'t feel like it. FBI won\'t raid your house if you don\'t well not yet at least.


Glenn

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 04:15 PM CST

If you don\'t register you can\'t get any student loans....

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 04:58 PM CST

i just turned eighteen and have not registered yet. i was wavering for many reasons on both sides of the issue, but i believe this just decided for me (NOT to register).

from what i understand, not registering is a federal crime, but no one has been prosecuted for it since the late seventies. if you don\'t register, you are not eligible for any sort of federal aid or student loans. but who needs their blood money?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 06:25 PM CST

don\'t worry, the draft has never been initiated by a republican administration

\"War is God\'s way of teaching Americans geography.\" - Ambrose Bierce

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 06:44 PM CST

Dont worry, im almost 22, and still havent registered for the Selective Service (SS), and i havnet heard shit from the Govt about except a few postcards bluffing jail time. You will not be eligible for student loans however, and someone told me something about not getting Social Security when you turn 65, but im not sure. Once you make it to 25, you can run around shouting that you havent registered, and they cant do anything. So yeah, dont register, cause it hasnt been enforced since 1983, and only then it was because it was a high profile case of War Resisters.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 07:41 PM CST

Fuck the draft. I won\'t die for these dirty wars. The only war I fight is the class war. I do not want to kill starving families in some far away country in the name of God, Oil, and Capitalism.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 07:44 PM CST

Hey, I heard if you have a tattoo on your hands or face, they won\'t take you. I\'m wonderin\' if I could get drafted if I have \"Fuck the Army!\" on my forehead.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 08:59 PM CST

I reckon you folks should sign-up & get all the training and money you can get from the state. At the very least you\'ll know where they keep all the war toys and how to use them. Just imagine how much fun running around the next big convergence with a marine LAV loaded with AT rounds straped to your arse ;-)

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 17 2002 @ 09:40 PM CST

Sometimes they come to your house if you don\'t sign up for selective service. This happened to one of my friends a few years back. But for those who can find a way to get out of signing that fucking slip they send you in the mail. More power to you. If they get you, then fucking run to Canada or to Mexico and then catch a plane to Cuba.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 04:32 AM CST

Dodging the draft didn`t hurt Bill Clinton, did it? I`m 43 and never registered. Missed all the
fun in `nam(Damn!;)

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 04:37 AM CST

Yeah, but that`s a permanent solution to a temp-
orary problem. Do lots of drugs or at least smoke
a shitload of pot so you fail the piss-tests.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 04:39 AM CST

\"I would call a conscientious objector someone who is bothered serving in military that bombs people to further their own nations heghemony.\"
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BINGO!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 04:47 AM CST

\"and someone told me something about not getting Social Security when you turn 65,\"
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Don`t worry, that`s an empty threat;) SS will be
flat broke LONG before you ever see a single penny of whatever you paid into it. Hell they`re
starting to tell 40 year olds who DID register
for the draft they won`t be seeing hardly any $$
when they turn 65. The reason you pay SS NOW, is
to support old coots in Florida who can play 5
Bingo cards at once and keep up with the caller,
but are \"confused\" by butterfly ballots and will
vote whatever dickhead into the Whitehouse that
promises to give them the most amount of YOUR money. Vote Libertarian! Phuck the Dems and Pubs.
Same shit, different name.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 11:10 AM CST

Draft Dodger Rag
By Phil Ochs

I\'m just a typical American boy from a typical American town

I believe in God and Senator Dodd and keeping old Castro down

And when it came my time to serve I knew better dead than red

But when I got to my old draft board, buddy, this is what I said:

Sarge, I\'m only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse
I got eyes like a bat, my feet are flat, and my asthma\'s getting worse

O think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old invalid aunt
Besides, I ain\'t no fool, I\'m a goin\' to school, and I\'m working in a defense plant

I\'ve got a dislocated disc and a racked up back
I\'m allergic to flowers and bugs
And when the bombshell hits, I get epileptic fits
And I\'m addicted to a thousand drugs
I got the weakness woes, and I can\'t touch my toes
I can hardly reach my knees
And if the enemy came close to me
I\'d probably start to sneeze

(chorus)

I hate Chou En Lai, and I hope he dies,
but one thing you gotta see
That someone\'s gotta go over there
and that someone isn\'t me
So I wish you well, Sarge, give \'em Hell
Yeah, Kill me a thousand or so
And if you ever get a war without blood and gore
Well I\'ll be the first to go

(chorus)

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 11:48 AM CST

I\'m just doing a shitload of drugs and either way I\'m not registering. My brother is 24 and he still hasnt signed up. NO one sent him letters or anything. And I don\'t technically \"live\" anywhere, so I should be fine on that front.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 12:18 PM CST

jarhead fertilizer

eduacation stable career
join the army
become a murderer
kill for god and country
return to be a hero
to tell you the truth
i hope you dont come back
courage
it takes a big man to push a button
fight with your honor
like shooting children
and cutting their parents throats
go to the frontline
watch your friends
get cooked by napalm
and they\'re murderers just like you
getting education by killing people too
bodies blown apart
you feel a sharp pain in your stomach
now you\'ve lost both of your legs to a grenade
blood and vomit spew from your mouth
no career education
and you\'re sent home in a doggy bag
waste your life
while taking others lives away from them
left so empty
just a pile of shit to me
and your parents looking stupid
their son reduced to a pile of shit and dog tags
but he did what he was programmed to do
such a good soldier
i hope youre fucking proud of your son
fuck your son i hope he fucking dies

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 12:29 PM CST

>>.Dodging the draft didn`t hurt Bill Clinton, did it? I`m 43 and never registered. Missed all the fun in `nam(Damn!;)<<

43? born in 58? makes you, at most, 15 when the war ended. you sure \"missed\" all the fun, kiddo.
don\'t have a clue do you?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 18 2002 @ 10:54 PM CST

I won\'t die for that shithead bush. Fuck SS, I am turning 18 in 2 months and don\'t plan on registering. I don\'t give a shit what they do or say. People yell at me at school for my anti-military views. Fuck them, fuck war.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, January 19 2002 @ 04:44 AM CST

And I thought I had it bad in Canada.

Through all of this... are any of you people proud to be an american? and why?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, January 20 2002 @ 04:11 AM CST

well...i can say this...i personally am a pussy :P

I don\'t want to be drafted, dont plan to be drafted, and dammit i have the money to not be drafted.

But still, why in the hell are they instating the draft again?

It\'s not like we\'re at war with anyone...they\'ve gt like 23409823409823409823409823409823402984 troops over there searching for a guy that\'s supposedly already died to kidney failure.

Yes I am proud to be an American...though I plan to be moving to Australia soon, but that\'s beside the point.

Either way, I don\'t think it will pass, and if it does, they cant exactly make all of us (I\'ll be 20 in 3 months) join the draft.

What if say, 2,000,000 people refuse? Are they going to lock us all up? :P

Just my two cents.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 21 2002 @ 12:05 AM CST

Zeig Hail !!!!! Where do we live? Rise up and fight against the american state if it is forcing its men and women to their death and to the death of innocents. Go to washington and rip their empire down brick by brick. Let the american public know we live and the media will not be able to ignore our screams of soliderity. We cannot let this regime cripple our union of strength. A cricket can be dismissed in the silence of the night but a million crickets may may echo within the walls of the white house and congress.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 21 2002 @ 01:30 PM CST

I\'ve been dead for years and the working class still hasn\'t risen up up and kicked the shit out of the American Government and it\'s bullshit policies?

What the hell is up with that?

I hope you aren\'t being fooled by those individuals (if you can call them that) portraying themselves as \"liberals\" in public office, are you?

When\'s the time?

No!

Whose gonna do it?

You are! So rise up motherfuckers, rise above the hypocrisy of the American Government and of all the governments throughout this world of tyranny.

It\'s your land so tear it down and then begin reconstruction and build a land of beauty, a land that belongs to you, the working class!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 21 2002 @ 08:25 PM CST

Just a thought:
SEC. 15. TRANSITIONAL PROVISION.

A person who has obtained a high school diploma or its equivalent before January 1, 2003, shall not be subject to the
obligation under section 3(a) to receive basic military training and education under this Act.

Most of you are *okay*. My brother on the other hand...
Furthermore, this isn\'t a draft, this is 6 months to 1 year of training and education of some sort;
not, \"let\'s go to another country and kill mother fuckers for a while.\"
Finally, I\'m a pacifist (read: pussy) so I can only say in my opinion that this is all abominable.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 21 2002 @ 11:11 PM CST

Lets pray it don\'t pass, all of us Americans will stick by each other sides

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 21 2002 @ 11:25 PM CST

Lets pray it don\'t pass, all of us Americans will stick by each other sides



GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 24 2002 @ 11:09 PM CST

WTF this better be bogus bullshit. What kind of fucking moron (read \'Representative\') would even bring up a bill like that? I\'m gonna leave the Rep. party and go Libertarian!!! w00t!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 25 2002 @ 10:19 AM CST

They barely have enough jail space to house criminals let alone people that refuse to join there army. Of course they may consider your refusal to join an act of treason and than they will lock all of you up and release the serial murderers and rapists to make room for you. It\'s a bullshit bill that wont be enforced even if it passes so I wouldnt worry too much

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 25 2002 @ 12:30 PM CST

Listen - it\'ll never pass, but that doesn\'t give the lot of you the right to talk about how you don\'t want to register for the selective service. It\'s not much to ask in a country that gives you as much as ours does. If you don\'t like it, try getting your head blown off in a soccer stadium for having sex before marriage. Maybe registering for the draft won\'t sound so bad anymore. What a bunch of spoiled brats.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 25 2002 @ 02:26 PM CST

ok

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, January 25 2002 @ 10:26 PM CST

I\'m an 18 year old male from Virginia. I believe this bill is a good idea in letting \"kids\" expeirence what life is about and what the world is going through. Everyone should take pride in their counrty. I\'d rather go in and do training in peace time rather than become drafted. You people who think this is a wrong idea should realize that without our military and its participants you wouldn\'t be makeing rash judgements. Just think before you put your country and the millions of people who have died fighting for it!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, January 26 2002 @ 10:15 PM CST

I think most of you need not worry.
SEC. 15. TRANSITIONAL PROVISION.


A person who has obtained a high school diploma or its equivalent before January 1, 2003, shall not be subject to the obligation under section 3(a) to receive basic military training and education under this Act.

END

If I\'m properly understanding that, anyone with a highschool diploma is exemplified.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, January 27 2002 @ 03:25 AM CST

What strikes me as ludicrous is how under-the-radar this thing is at this point. Most people have heard nothing of it. Personally, I\'m not that scared because I was a bit messed up in my high school years, and am left with a history of psychiatric help/commitments and a lot of self-inflicted scars, I think I could probably dodge service on mental health grounds (anyone know anything about this?) even if I can\'t get CO status (my father was a CO, my parents are buddhists). None the less, this is absolute crap. True, Switzerland has a similar program, but they also don\'t go tromping around the world killing people for oil.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2002 @ 01:11 AM CST

Why dont these warmonger politician chickenshit low life mother fuckers who wouldn\'t go fight a WAR themselves (THAT THEY THEMSELVES STARTED) OR send there own family members to DIE to \"defend freedom or democracy\" or for there own ideals ENLIST themselves, train as much as they like, and stick out there own necks, because if they themselves DIE then they have helped clean out the trash and the only DEATHS are on there heads and not those of other innocent teenagers!!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2002 @ 02:21 PM CST

I\'m 20 years old and never registered and they still haven\'t come for me. Eventually they always come, but I guess I\'ve been lucky so far. As for the actual act It\'s complete bullshit. The END.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2002 @ 07:49 PM CST

I hope most of you guys go to Canada. I don\'t think the United States Army is that hard up to even want you. But it would do you good. At least it would teach you not to be such lazy asses.

Anyway, looks like WWWIII is already here, and we already took the first hit.

Some of you guys need to decide which side you are on--and if you\'re not going to fight for your country, then head out to Canada, or something. Because the people who are defending the homeland are not going to look kindly upon traitors.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 06 2002 @ 01:11 AM CST

Why does someone need to be in the military to be \'serving their country\'.
What kind of stupid logic created that notion. So if you have a job and or are doing service to the community or are getting an education or mabye participating in politics it means youre a traitor and not serving your country?

Why does someone need to kill to serve their country? What if i don\'t want to fight for a system that i believe isnt helping the world, im willing to fight for what i believe in but simply put, i dont believe in the west enough to kill or be killed for it.

Try and get it through your heads that there are people with jobs and an education who don\'t believe in the system. Realise that they are not all lazy bums living in a gutter.

Mabye by not doing service many of these people are protecting what so many died for.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, February 08 2002 @ 12:48 AM CST

Yes! Fuck the draft!!! Why don\'t you losers tell your fucking goverment to stop it. Stop and mind your own dam business...Fuck you all!!!!

Didn\'t Osama just gave you a favor..hehehehe

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 09 2002 @ 08:55 PM CST

I sincerely hope that this bill does not become a law. Not because I think that it is unreasonable to expect someone to give a couple of years in defense of their country, but because I wouldn\'t want to serve with a bunch of cowardly, ungrateful pussies like vast the majority of the people who have commented on this.
The United States of America is not perfect. Only an idiot would claim that our politicians and our foreign policy is free from error. However, because of the safeguards in our Constitution, we are allowed to speak our minds, practice our religion, and basically do whatever we want as long as we don\'t infringe on the rights of others.
We have the best roads in the world. Healthcare is available for everyone. If you can\'t pay, then there are charitable organizations (to whom I give money) that will pay for your operation (the Shriners are the best example). Education is free for everyone until you are 18, and most people are able to afford it after that. The disadvantaged are taken care of, if they allow themselves to be. Americans live better than anybody else in the world, and yet all you whiny bitches can do is complain because there is a \"proposed bill\" that might require you to give something back. Your attitudes are disgusting.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 09 2002 @ 08:59 PM CST

Why does giving something back have to involve the military? Can\'t giving something back involve something other than fighting or aiding an institution who\'s main purpose is of course to kill.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 09 2002 @ 09:33 PM CST

Ya, a lot to be thankful for. Like NAFTA and how it made sure jobs didn\'t leave the country and drive down wages. And how immigrants aren\'t being arrested and suspected of terrorism because they aren\'t white. And civil liberties, well those are just as strong as ever....oh wait.

I can\'t believe some people can think that forcing others to kill and die is acceptable. Their whole reason for loving America is because there is so much \"freedom\" yet they are ok with forced indoctrination and brain washing.

\"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever.\"

--from Nineteen Eighty-Four

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 09 2002 @ 09:40 PM CST

Think about why this is being proposed. There isn\'t a shortage of people who want to be soldiers, more people are volunteering. And people would be forced to serve \"not less than six months, but not more than one year\" not a very long time. This seems like a step towards a more militarized society, not an actual necessity. Imagine that after a few generations of people going through this training the public begins to get more and more accustomed to war. Eventually there will be less and less dissent when the U.S. invades a country.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 13 2002 @ 04:03 PM CST

Just goes to show you how ignorant someone can get in only 43 years.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 13 2002 @ 04:11 PM CST

Canada, What you are seeing here is the result of many years of liberal inbreeding. These are kids whose parents told them they were special.
These punks have never had to make a personal sacrifice in there life. They are however, willing to let others who love their country, stand gaurd over their freedoms and protect them from harm.

What you are reading on these threads are the ramblings of the \"Me Generation\".

Fortunately, they are the minority and the bottom of the country\'s barrell.

God Bless The U.S.A.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 13 2002 @ 04:20 PM CST

Go see your recruiter today.

Get a pair boy.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 18 2002 @ 12:01 PM CST

Millitary training will finally knock all that drug, violence, \"easy life\" garbage out of young men heads. Finally there\'s a proposition that will really make changes. Instead of spending millions and billions dollars on programs for youth that don\'t work, here\'s one that kills two rabbits with one shot: saves taxpayers\' money and resolves millitary shortage of personel problem.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 18 2002 @ 05:12 PM CST

All of these pro-military, pro-statist trolls are so funny and interesting.

Guys (and I\'m sure you are all invariably guys), there really isn\'t any point in appealing to patriotism on an anarchist website. We just laugh at you. Ha ha. See?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 18 2002 @ 05:14 PM CST

Incidentally, to address the accusation that draft dodgers are \"pussies\" (nice sexism there!), let me ask you this -- what\'s more brave, to resist your indoctrination as a remote-control killing machine with very little chance of actual danger, or to face the swollen patriotic fervor of a police state determined to punish you for \"draft dodging\"?

I don\'t care if they are saving me a position as a medic or desk jockey in DC, I\'m still not gonna do it. Avoiding the front isn\'t the issue.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 19 2002 @ 02:30 AM CST

Osama bin Laden = Emmanuel Goldstein

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 24 2002 @ 06:32 PM CST

i hate military training cause there is no point of suffering this kind of BS! if you have no plans of joining the military in the first place!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 24 2002 @ 06:32 PM CST

i hate military training cause there is no point of suffering this kind of BS! if you have no plans of joining the military in the first place!

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 24 2002 @ 09:18 PM CST

A wise man once told me that military conscription is such a Totalitarian idea that you could deduce the whole system from it, in much the same way that all of Euclidean Geometry can be deduced from the idea that a line only has one other parrellel line.(For those of you who fall under section 4b of the proposed bill, Totalitarianism is a system of government in which total power is given to a single individual or group of individuals. Hmm, sound familiar? *Cough*Taliban*Cough*) Personally, while I am generally opposed to war, I beleive that people should have the right to fight for their country VOLANTARILY. The trouble with conscription is that it gives the government the power to force people to fight and die for their country, when this may run contrary to their own ideas and beleifs. Military and it\'s justification isn\'t the issue here. Neither is \"giving something back.\" What is the issue is a proposed bill that would force those of us who say no to subgegate our wills to a supposedly free government. In one month I turn eighteen, and when I do I plan to register for selective services, then tell Uncle Sam to fuck himself up the ass with a sandpaper dildo if he comes knocking at my door telling me that he wants me. If this lands me in prison, so be it. Greater men then I have gone to prison. In the words of Thoreau, \"In a country that imprisons injustly, the one true place for a just man is also a prison.\"

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2002 @ 08:56 PM CST

I hope this thing isn\'t passed. Right now I have lots of friends both guys are girls that are happy to be fighting for their country, but to see my friends that don\'t want to go be forced I don\'t want to see. If you force someone to do something they don\'t want to do are they going to do a good job at it? I don\'t think so.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 07 2002 @ 01:48 AM CST

My father was a vietnam veteran who was drafted and served in the war. And from what I\'ve heard from him war is truly hell and I don\'t feel that anybody who doesn\'t want to risk they\'re life for their country should be forced to. I love my country but I hate my government and despite this I tried to enlist in the army months before September 11\'th in order to get an education as a mechanic and money for college since my family can\'t afford to put me through school. However I have open criminal cases and the Military is able to accept people with a criinal record depending on the number of charges and types of crimes. But I\'ve been arrested since then and if I am found guilty I will not be eligable for Military service. Which suits me just fine because I think Americas involvement in Afghanistan is just the beginning of a new larger scale war which will see this nation annexing many Middle Eastern Countries in the quest for oil and money, pherhaps even the beginning of WW III. Maybe a large scale war overseas could spark a revolution in this country and if Libertarian Communism was this revolutions cause I would gladly give my life for that war.

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