Authored by: rechelon on Wednesday, September 19 2007 @ 10:40 AM CDT

"Hardly, as they systematically ignore how the state enforces specifically capitalist forms of "property." "

Many do, but many do not.

"Equally, their "competitive, for profit forms of voluntary association" almost always mean capitalist firms."

Many do, but many do not. There are plenty of libertarians opposed to corporations or conventional businesses.

"So, they have "specialised" in providing ideological justifications for "actually existing capitalism" and the power and property of the boss and landlord class."

This is the most annoying and evil strain of Libertarianism, but although it's the loud one that has money behind it and gets in our face most frequently, "thick libertarians" as Long and co. call them are strenuously opposed to such thinking.

"Like, for example, the wage labour and other forms of hierachy which "anarcho"-capitalists think is essential for a modern economy (according to Rothbard)."

K... did you get how Long was saying there that the libertarian tradition should throw out that part of the Ancap/Rothbard tradition and learn from the left? Read the article.

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Authored by: Makhno on Wednesday, September 19 2007 @ 01:00 PM CDT

I didn't see anything in this article about "throwing out" any particular part of the Rothbard/anarcho-capitalist tradition, for which Long clearly still has a lot of sympathy, but there was the following passage:

What do You think libertarians could learn from leftists, and vice-versa?

Well, libertarians can learn from leftists about - well I think that when libertarians and leftists sort of split up in the XIXth century, libertarians began specialising in understanding the benefits of market-oriented, for-profit solutions, while leftists specialised in understanding the benefits of non-profit, cooperative ways of associating. And likewise, libertarians specialised in understanding the evils of State-based forms of oppression, and leftists specialised in understanding the evils of non-State-based, private forms of oppression. So I think what each has to learn from the other is - the leftists have to learn from libertarians good things about the market that the Left doesn