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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 01:53 AM CDT

I'm an open-minded person and have talked with a variety of people in the Turther movement. I have respect for friends and comrades who have questions about what was happening around the events of 9/11. While I'm a big skeptic, I'm also annoyed with people who opt for the magical thinking underlying conspiracy theories when the obvious facts are staring them right in the face. There isn't an "official" story of what happened, rather a consensus story that is backed by hard evidence and facts.

I had some hope in the first months after 9/11 that people would challenge things such as how the public (and independent) experts were kept away from examining the evidence. I think there were some valid concerns that the government let the attacks happen, but I've always held the opinion that the attacks happened because the U.S. government was so fucking arrogant that something like the 9/11 attacks could ever happen on U.S. soil. If the somebody high up in the U.S. government "knew" about the attacks, I think they did little because everybody in power thought the U.S. was invulnerable. Of course, some people in Washington knew the attacks were possible, simply because the WTC had been attacked in the early 90s.

But the 9/11 turned into another conspiracy movement where absolute nonsense was promoted as being "evidence" that the government orchestrated the attacks. You can tell when somebody believes in a conspiracy theory, because they accept everything that is being promulgated in the unified theory. It's not like the Truther movement is comprised of people who are skeptical about the "government did it theory." If somebody is Truther, they will defend every nonsensical, illogical aspect of the alternative theory, including the bullshit crap that a plane wasn't flown into the Pentagon.

I was on the scene at the Pentagon, along with some other anarchists, a few hours after the crash. A plane clearly crashed into that building.

Chuck0

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Unkut on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 07:19 AM CDT

"There isn't an "official" story of what happened, rather a consensus story that is backed by hard evidence and facts." - Funny you should say this, because even the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb has stated that "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." It's also interesting how they've never been able to catch Bin Laden after spending trillions of dollars pursuing the 'War on Terrorism'. How he just always manages to evade them but pop up from time to time in video recorded messages with different hair color.

The reason that right wingers have been able to dominate the 9/11 truth movement is because too much of the left have not done their job in investigating the event throughly and have been extremely dismissive and arrogant in their rejection of what are called 'conspiracy theories'. Which is also a buzz word used by the state quite often in an authoritarian manner. Like when George Bush told us that he 'would not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories' about 9/11 that attempt to shift the blame away from the evil Muslim terrorists. One time when Dennis Kucinich suggested that the war in Iraq was about getting oil rather than preventing Saddam Hussein from developing weapons of mass destruction a Republican Congress person called it a conspiracy theory. However the best investigative research into 9/11 and the issues surrounding it comes from left sources, such as David Ray Griffin who's documentation is extremely thorough (even if his liberal political views are lacking). And Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shoan who are socialists and have a great show called Taking Aim that covers a variety of topics related to capitalism and imperialism.

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 07:34 AM CDT

The right wingers can have the 9/11 turth movement for all I care. To the extent that the 9/11 turth movement resurfaces on an annual basis, I will publicly criticize  and oppose it. I will continue to use Infoshop.org as a platform to expose the movement for the garbage that it is.

It really doesn't matter if Osama bin Laden was involved with the attacks or not. We know for a fact that a group of terrorists organized the attacks. The U.S. government may be pretty nefarious, but it didn't orchestrate the attacks, nor did it allow them to happen.

Getting tired of pointing out the obvious.

Chuck

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: underthepavers on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 10:36 PM CDT

For the record, I don't take issue at all with your complete dismissal of the "truther" movement, we are in agreement there.  And also fuck alex jones for sure.

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