Authored by: DropScience on Monday, June 29 2009 @ 12:20 AM CDT

what the fuck are you talking about?

especially talking about the return to cliqueish activist milieus, and then defending summit protests, which is like activist disneyland.

yea i know i dont have to go, which is why im not. i mean yea keep the whole existentialist "this is my resistance" stuff, but be real about the effectiveness of your resistance. its not cointelpro to say that summit protests dont do dick, or that the supposed benefits of "showing them we can organize housing" dont outweigh the benefits of us staying where we are and working on shit on that level.

im mean seriously, youre gonna call that cointelpro?

because i dishevelled your comfy net?

gimme a break

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Authored by: JBizzle on Monday, June 29 2009 @ 12:32 AM CDT

no, because you go beyond critique of "summit-hopping" to straight up asshole comments...like everyone who has been complaining about anyone showing any excitement for the g-20 protests (or any protest for that matter).

and, yes, there is a considerable riot fetish in "activist" milieus, but I don't really know what's more dangerous...doing absolute shit, sitting around and complaining about people organizing public dissent, or the "strategic" ineffectiveness of that dissent.

seriously, you'll probably end up finding all of anarchism "pointless" in a couple years and in need of finding a "practical [strategic?]" life. You're milieu is SO FUCKING PREDICTABLE.

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Authored by: laozi on Monday, June 29 2009 @ 11:49 AM CDT

so are you saying summits are the best opportunity genuine north american IA types have to feed off the momentum of "activist riot fetishism" and make total riot?

cause like other posters said here i think there are far many more IA types in the retired old guard (what people over 30?) than in the newb zone. i would actually argue though that a lot in the newbzone are way more attracted than ever to IA, and that really folks in their mid to late 20s currently are the activism diehards, because they did most of their coming of age under 8 years of Bush era anti-war derailment. of course these are all gross generalizations. a lot of times folks that are into IA have no choice but to do activist type things because it is the only option available to them locally.

i don't know, just my 2c

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Authored by: laozi on Monday, June 29 2009 @ 12:07 PM CDT

also obviously IA is not all about make total destroy.

from what i've been able to gather from posting here in the past DropScience is pretty down with insurrection but would rather work in their own community and do autonomous insurrectionary projects there.

examples that they didn't give of other things other than summit hopping are things like starting up a radical grocery distribution with your crew instead of FNB as an act of real mutual aid and communism between friends instead of activist charity and guilt. Or squat a house with your crew instead of starting a rent co-op.

check out crudo's vegeance #2 for more ideas: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hhgyokjmmzf
or their blog: http://wewillhaveourvengeance.blogspot.com/

also 20 Theses On The Subversion Of The Metropolis is pretty good:
http://zinelibrary.info/20-theses-sub...metropolis

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