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On April 15th thousands of right-wingers will attend rallies in cities and towns across the United States. The organizers of this nationwide day of protest call it a tea party. This tea party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militia men, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers.

The following call to action and editorial opinion has obviously generate a bunch of controversy, both among anarchists and within the tea party movement. Infoshop News would like to make it clear that we did not write or author this call to action. It was authored by somebody anonymous and unknown to us. Infoshop News is an independent news service that publishes news and opinion from a variety of viewpoints. We are very open to publishing different opinions and rely heavily on user-submitted stories. The viewpoints published by Infoshop News don't necessarily reflect those of our editorial collective or even most anarchists, anti-authoritarians and libertarians. In fact, many anarchists think this call is rather liberal in tone, but it should be noted that anarchists have a variety of opinions about this call and about the Tea Party movement in general.

Crash the tea parties!

On April 15th thousands of right-wingers will attend rallies in cities and towns across the United States. The organizers of this nationwide day of protest call it a tea party. This tea party movement that emerged only a year ago is a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militia men, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers. If the tea party movement continues to grow in size and strength there is a big chance they will dominate this country in the near future. If the tea party movement takes over this country they will really hurt poor people by getting rid of social programs like food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care, etc. The tea party movement will say these programs must be gotten rid of because hard-working taxpayers cannot afford to pay for these things especially when the economy is in a depression. There are three options we have with the tea party movement:

1. Organize counter-protests against the tea party demonstrations, same time, same place. This is probably the best option. We need to get in the streets on April 15th and show the tea party movement that there are lots of people out there who oppose their agenda.

2. Get individual tea party protesters to leave the right-wing and move to the left politically. That would involve passing out stuff like this at the tea party demonstrations: http://www.anarchist-studies.org/node/299

3. Ignore the tea party movement. This is the worst option because without anyone opposing them they could easily gain power.

Some good articles critical of the tea party movement:

Tea party websites, so you can spy on them:

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: ScavengerType on Sunday, March 28 2010 @ 02:54 AM CDT

Someone should go to one of these rallies (maybe as a prop with a copy of "atlas shrugged" obtained from the library or more likely the trash bin) and pretend to be one of these libertarian nutters using all the talking points to slam militarism. Go on about Blackwater, Haliburtin, Caterpillar and others for being the mass recipients of corporate welfare (use the words welfare and moochers as much as possible, mention no-bid and cost-plus contracts) and US militarism as a huge drain on taxes without any practical improvement in US world standing (get ready to have to explain how US foreign policy contributed to 9/11) or benefit for taxpayers. Play the part, of a randroid-propertarian as near as possible but rail against these things and you will help wedge the nutty neo-cons away from the name-thievy "libertarians" by driving at the main (or so it would seem) conflict between the ideologies.

Find a suit at a thrift store or something, look real professional like.

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I am a tea party member...
Authored by: copycat042 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 02:37 AM CDT

Neo-cons are statists (just like the socialists, and fascists) , and would only gravitate to the Tea Party movement as a show against the current statist administration, not against statism itself. I was under the impression that this was an anarchism site. Statism is the exact opposite of anarchism. What do you have to gain from attempting to sabotage the core of the Tea Party? We are advocating the smallest government possible, where you advocate the complete absence of government. I understand that you may believe that the majority of the members hold racist views, but I assure you that such ad homineim attacks by our common enemy (the statists) are unfounded.

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I am a tea party member...
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:03 AM CDT

Amen Copycat!!

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Fire Works on Sunday, March 28 2010 @ 04:41 AM CDT

Anti-fascist direct action is more to the point than the three "options" offered above.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that rational discourse will enlighten these people-- this astro-turf movement was manufactured by Fox News in 2006; this gives you the idea of the level of intellectual engagement of the Tea-Baggers.

These yahoos are the USA's version of the National Front boneheads-- it would be wise to act accordingly.

 

 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 28 2010 @ 04:18 PM CDT

Not trying to totally derail this discussion, but what's wrong with being a "gun freak?" Plenty of us left-leaning @ types have guns. Lots of democrats, for crying out loud, have guns.

OK, maybe gun "freaks" are scary, the way that Trekkies are scary (as opposed to people who watch star trek sometimes). But the issue of "gun control" is one on which we need to distance ourselves far, far away from the liberals' position, IMHO. See sweet tea's zine, "Why Politicians Love Gun Control."

http://zinelibrary.info/politicians-love-gun-control

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: griffjam on Sunday, March 28 2010 @ 09:20 PM CDT

They got guns, we got guns, all God's chillun got guns!

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 06:55 PM CDT

I'm for gun control, the kind which starts with disarming the military and the governments.

After that, people should be able to have their guns, but I'm against people having guns in public places. I simply cannot fathom why anybody would need to bring a fucking gun into a grocery store or library. Leave the damn thing in the car.

Chuck

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: RightWingWacko on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 08:32 PM CDT

Real smart there chucky.. "leave the damn thing in the car" So a criminal can steal it??  Thats real responsible gun ownership..

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Bringitonlefties on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 09:50 PM CDT

To protect themselves from idiots like you who think they have a right to tell everyone else how to act. Maybe you should mind your own stinking business and stop worrying about what others are carrying around with themselves. You lefties really need to start paying attention to your own actions for once.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 02:07 AM CDT

I'm not for gun control. I'm asking a simple question. Why should people be able to bring guns into public spaces when most of us don't need guns to be in those spaces? How does a gun help you shop for groceries?

You can have your guns in your private spaces, but I don't want your damn guns around me when I'm at some public space. I have some fucking rights too!

Chuck

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Bringitonlefties on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:03 AM CDT

Because the right to bear arms is a inalienable right, their right to protect themselves cannot be infringed upon by your desire for comfort. For a group that advocates anarchism, I would think that you would have more appreciation for the basic fundamental right to protect oneself?

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: underthepavers on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:50 PM CDT

I don't think anyone is implying that a gun helps you shop for groceries, it's also not an infringement on your rights if I have a gun in my pocket.  If I shoot you with it for no reason, then you have a point.  I would say that a fair amount of violence happens to people outside of their home, everytime I've been attacked (which is several times, I've been violently mugged for money twice and myself and two women were attacked by a street gang for being on "their" street which resulted in 40 staples 20 stitches a skin graft  a wired jaw and serious ptsd) but anyways everytime I've been attacked was outside of my home and a complete surprise.  When we were attacked by the gang we were just going to the movies, I should have been carrying then, and I always carry now, movies, grocery store, or  library.  You never know when you may have to defend yourself from a gang, a cop , or a right wing nut who is mad about a late fee at the library .

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: PoliticalAtheist on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:17 PM CDT

 No, guns don't help you shop for groceries. But it does keep you from being a statistic.

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Gun Control?
Authored by: copycat042 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:06 PM CDT

How is gun control possible with no government to "control" them?

 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: smokestack on Monday, March 29 2010 @ 01:39 PM CDT

At work I took it upon myself to discuss some economics and politics with a self identified tea bagger without him knowing anything about my own politics and I stayed away from using the typical political buzz words that would automatically label me a "liberal, communist, fascist, anti-american, socialist, welfare supporter". Let me say it was a pretty good conversation and I learned that he has a very mythical view of what America is and means and that we also agreed on alot of isues regarding the government being a problem. But the individual and the tea bagger movement as a political body are two very different things and should be engaged in two very different ways. The teabag movement is opportunist and populist and should be countered but this counter action should not be allowed to resort yet another liberal whine fest that traps an actual anti-fascist position as an obama supporting liberal whine fest.

Its time for the left to make a clear and visisble break from reactionary "anti" this and "anti" that positions and actually make have its own social, political, and economic positions... Its just going to be hard since the whole tea bag party is based on fear mongering around leftist politics and tying in the obama admin and dems as communist supporting fascists. This Fox News/Glenn Beck manufactored movement is based on lies and backwardness, got to be cleaver in combating such glorified ignorance.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Bringitonlefties on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:31 PM CDT

Lies and backwardness?  Sounds like the rhetoric coming out of this group of undesireables. I challenge you to show where "lies and backwardness" is being spewed. All I ever hear from you folks is hate being spewed towards anyone who wants to protect the integerity of this great nation, yet I never hear relevant arguments to back up your hatred. The only ones doing the lying are you  guys.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:33 PM CDT
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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: space1980 on Tuesday, March 30 2010 @ 01:25 AM CDT

If your looking for something to laugh at or for something to keep you up at night then watch this nut:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jExiH6KMHLo

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: smokestack on Tuesday, March 30 2010 @ 04:58 PM CDT

Last night's Glenn Beck show as the craziest case of neo-McCarthyism I have seen in along time. He spend the better part of his show telling of the horrors brought on by Marx, communists, progressives, and the ny times. In a way only Beck can do it he basically accused Karl Marx for being the theoritical prototype to fascism, ethnic cleansing, and then went on saying that Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler are one in the same. Somehow Stalin and Marx are the exact same people and no matter what Marx said or didnt say or mean with a muc longer sentense Glenn Beck was sure to condense the point, with a blatant misreading of a quote, to make his case and point. After saying that Marx was a racist, who cared nothing about slavery, and hated anything not European Beck attempted to understand "primitive accumulation" as Marx wanting to ethnically clease the rest of the world. 

After his attempt at making Marx the archetype to Hitler and fascism he accused the USSR for being inbed with the Nazis as if Stalin and Hilter were best of friends and then made some references to both the Nazi flag and the USSR flag being the color red as more proof.  After ranting about how the USSR and the Nazi party are one in the same because people got killed by the state and the matching of color he then went on to discuss Cuba, Castro, Che, Che Chic, and the Anti-war movment. I am paraphrasing here but he called Che a "war-mongering homicidial racists who was the Taliban of the Carribbean, etc..." according to Glenn Beck Che loved to kill people and is responsbible for the butching of some 15,000 young cuban boys.  Somehow che's part in the revolutionary tribunals made him a mass-murdering tyrannt who killed for sport. Finally before I had to stop watching, Beck accused the NY Times for being in the pocket of Cold War Moscow and supporting the Ukranian famine to a point of insanity.

Glenn Beck understands and investigates history, dialetical materialism, and geo-politics the same way  "blues clues" and Nichols Cage in  "National Treasure". It would be hysterical if only it didnt captivate thousands.  So, its not that Glenn Beck totally rewrites history, truth is he mixes historical fact with his perverted and opportunistic perspective to a point where America as a nation-state and economy has never done anything wrong and is always the globe's Knight in Shining Armour.

 

Did famine happen in the USSR? Yes, and was the state responsible for bad planning coupled with a bad harvest, yes. Does this make Beck's point valid? No. Did Che kill people personally and did Che take part in revolutionary tribunals where peasants and others could point to their landlord and employeer for wrong doing and exploitation? Yes and again does this make Beck's point valid? No. Did the USSR and the Nazis have ties? Yes, politically they negoiated and the USSR did so after the west had failed to come to an agreement on having an international anti-fascist pact. Does this make Beck's point valid? No.

 

Anyway, point being, Glenn Beck accuses his enemies of being war-mongering racists who do not understand history or the world. It is strange to be hearing this coming from someone who has no problem rewriting history to make the same tired point over and over, that communists secretly control the world and the American government. Remember, according to glenn beck, "thats why there are so many Maosists hanging around the White House". Has he ever met an American Maoist, I dont think there are to many of those hanging around the White House.  So here we have Glenn Beck accusing everyone else of being this or that when in fact he supposedly draws all his political theory from the dusty papers of the founding fathers. Great source a bunch of slave owning aristoracts who have no problem with the "displacement" (american for genocide) of Native American Indians, etc.... 

His ideas and political theatre would not be so scary if he didnt effect thousands of people who are just looking for answers from conservative entertainment.

 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: touchstone on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:21 PM CDT

Perhaps if one were to actually sit down and learn the history from the original writers, instead of becoming one of the clones, one would realize that there is more than just a grain of truth in the Beck dissertations.

Ad as far as "crashing" the tea parties? You don't need to "crash". Everyone is welcome to join in and civilly participate. If you chose to arrive for the purpose of disruption, then understand that your actions will impugne upon your particular message, and exhibit for all to see your relative intolerance for an opposing viewpoint. It is amazing to me that I am bombarded on a daily basis from the lefties about how I must accept THEIR rights of free speech, et al; and yet the lefties argue that MY rights of free speech, et al, are requiring of being silenced. Apparently some are "more equal" than others??

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Justen Robertson on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 04:45 AM CDT

 Actually the tea parties have been around for about a decade now, they just got hijacked by Faux Noiz in the past few years. The criticism that there is lot of the Alex Jones camp in there is fair, he's been involved in them for a long time now. I hear on the grapevine that real liberty activists are being attacked and driven out by the corporatist shills as they transform it into a conservative populist platform. Tea Party is probably lost now to the fascist/corporatist horde, but at one point it had a strong showing of an-caps, agorists, constitutionalists, minarchists and libertarians. It's just been glommed onto by republicans who are angry about being booted out for being anti-human fuckwads and have suddenly discovered their inner desire for liberty, equal rights, and individualism (as long as liberty includes killing little brown people on the other side of the world and stealing from the public of course).

Anyway, what's with the lament about tea pitiers destroying social programs? I understand you're leftist/marxist anarchists out here, but what is there to love about statist welfare programs that rob the working class into poverty so they can turn around and make those same impoverished people dependent on the state? You don't think that money is somehow coming from rich people do you? You realize that, morality of stealing from *anyone*  and the complex arguments about how wealth is derived in a statist system aside, the upper crust just passes the costs on to the lower classes and laughs their way to the bank right? That it's all just a dependency breeding program to keep the impoverished from rebelling against the establishment for fear of going without a meal or two?

RE: Atlas Shrugged, if any of you kids would actually read the book instead of buying into the propaganda about it you might find something to like in there.

I could have summed up all this by saying "Keith Olbermann is not your friend any more than Bill O'Reilly". If you're going to reject the bullshit from the right wing of the fascist duopoly, you ought to have the presence of mind to at least think critically about the crap coming out the left hemisphere's propaganda machine as well. There's this thing called the internet, you may have heard it, if you learn how to use it you can find real information. Failing that, resort to talking to real human beings instead of making assumptions about them based on arbitrary labels you have placed on them.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: tommyrocker on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 05:24 AM CDT

 You so called educated elites are morons when it comes to the Constitution of the United States.  It must scare you idiots to think that regular Americans are starting to resist your statist agenda that has been going on for 30 plus years.  We are who we are because of american exceptionalism.  Socialism and government control of everything has never worked in history.  It is time to teach our children about our founders and why they rejected tyranny then and why we should do the same now!!

The Tea Party movement is as american as hot dogs and apple pie and you libs can call it what you want, but we are coming, because real people know the truth.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 08:05 AM CDT

You so called educated elites are morons when it comes to the Constitution of the United States. It must scare you idiots to think that regular Americans are starting to resist your statist agenda that has been going on for 30 plus years.  

Who are you addressing? This site is mostly read by anarchists, so it's impossible for us to have a statist agenda. We are anti-statist. We also have many readers who aren't even Americans.

What's been going on for 30 years? The U.S. is a capitalist empire that goes back for more than a century. What's different about the past 30 years? Are you talking about the pro-corporate person who is President of the U.S.? There hasn't been any change in that office for some time.

We are who we are because of american exceptionalism.  

We are opposed to American excaptionalism. That attitude has helped make the world a more miserable place.

Socialism and government control of everything has never worked in history.  It is time to teach our children about our founders and why they rejected tyranny then and why we should do the same now!!

Rejecting tyranny sounds good, but why have you jumped on the bandwagon now? President Obame is just another pro-corporate, statist like Clinton and both presidents Bush.

Government control of things works, for the people in control. Are you suggesting that President Obama is a socialist? He's not.

If you are against government control of everything, does that mean that you are for eliminating government spending on the military? If so, that's great! We need more people to join us in eliminating military spending.

The Tea Party movement is as american as hot dogs and apple pie and you libs can call it what you want, but we are coming, because real people know the truth.

There are very few "libs" who read this website. You need to stop watching Fox News for a day and understand that there are other political movements other than the monolithinc Republican-Democratic one.

The Tea Party movement has a wide range of people in it, but the whole thing is stage-managed by Fox News on behalf of the corporations and the rich.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: The Watchman on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 08:50 AM CDT

 

Speaking as a Black American who was not under Obama’s hypnosis, and a card carrying Tea Party participant…I must say being called a racist and anti-Semite is hilarious!

I support Israel,

I’m
Conservative,

and unlike some minorities, I actually read The
Constitution.

So lefties, you have your pathetic underground rallies,
people black, white, brown & yellow are waking up. Slowly, but
surely your sick twisted agenda’s will come floating to the surface like
the brown matter in our toilets. The Tea Party will not hurt you…Conservatives will not hurt you...

you are hurting yourselves every time you open your mouths. Thanks for
making our pending victory in 2010 & 2012 sooo much easier, we
couldn’t have done it without you!

Suggestion:  as I used to suffer from the mental disorder of liberal thinking, I was cured by simply following this bit of medicinal wisdom.....research the history of your liberal political heroes of the past 10-15 years. read what they said, when they said it and why. Then follow the votes and then follow the money.  If you have a soul and conscience, we will be marching side by side at the next TP Rally.  Or you will just remain mindless sheep.  Oh and sit down and read the Healthcare Bill (law).......Welcome to Change!

 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 06:06 PM CDT

Ugh, what a mess of illogical, confused thinking. Illustrates pretty well what kind of person is attracted to the fascist, white supremacist Tea Party movement. This person is ignorant about the fact that there are many Americans who aren't liberals who don't like the Democrats or the Republicans. We are mostly anarchists here, so we've always been critical of the Democrats. We'll tell you that the Republicans and Democrats are different sides of the same coin.

I have my doubts that this person is an African-American as they claim. It's pretty sad that this ignorant person supports Israel. That's like a black person supporting the apartheid government of South Africa. Pathetic!

Chuck

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What is anarchism/anarchy?
Authored by: copycat042 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:11 PM CDT

I have some comments and questions. All these assume that anarchy/anarchism is , innately, a peaceful philosophy.

If peaceful anarchy is , by definition, the desire for an absence of government, why is it considered to be a socialist philosophy, which is, by definition, the state ownership of the means of production (a statist philosophy) ?

In such a system, does an individual have any innate rights?
Can they protect those rights?
Are they free from the initiation of force by others?
What prevents that initiation of force?
Can they own property?
How is that ownership defined, and protected?

How is anarchism different from true free-market capitalism (meaning no government interference, only the enforcement of contracts)?


Please describe an anarchist society.

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What is anarchism/anarchy?
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 05:23 PM CDT

This is a good place to start for answers to those questions:

An Anarchist FAQ - What would an anarchist society look like?

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What is anarchism/anarchy?
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:20 PM CDT

<i>In such a system, does an individual have any innate rights?</i>

You have the right to do as you please as long as it doesn't affect anyone else without their consent.  You have the right to do to or with others whatever they consent to.  That pretty much covers rights.

<i>Can they protect those rights?</i>

By Any Means Necessary.

<i>Are they free from the initiation of force by others?</i>

If others initiate force, people have the right to immediate self-defense.  But it's a slippery slope to try and eliminate every threat before it materializes.

<i>What prevents that initiation of force?</i>

The way that society is organized.  In an unfair system that operates on the basis of greed, there will be a lot of violence.  If a fair system that operates on communitarian principles, there will be very little violence.

<i>Can they own property?</i>

Yes.

<i>How is that ownership defined, and protected?</i>

Ownership is based on use, not title.  Anything you and you alone use is yours alone.  Anything you use with others is owned in conjuction with them.  For example, if you have a bicycle, it's your bicycle.  If you have a factory with 30 other people, all 31 of you own that factory (including any 'office people' who don't do manual labor but contribute in other ways).  If you use a road with other people in the community, the maintenance of that road is all of your responsibility.
However, if you own a factory or a store or a house or something but don't work at it, maintain it, or even visit it (as is the case in corporate schemes or bank ownership of property), then you lose ownership of it.
Obviously, this definition of property ownership makes Capitalism-as-it-exists impossible, which I think practically everyone can agree is a good thing.

(f'in html... you get the picture)

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What is anarchism/anarchy?
Authored by: galahad0430 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:54 PM CDT

Actually I think most people agree that capitalism is good. Also your view of how ownership would work is naive at best. The system you describe has no hope of working on a large scale unless you are advocating that we live in stone age conditions. You fail to see that property rights are the foundation of securing individual freedom and liberty. If a person can not be garuanteed the right to the fruits of his labor, he is nothing other than a slave. If I build a boat and then choose not to use it for a while, how does it suddenly become someone elses property?

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What is anarchism/anarchy?
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:25 PM CDT

Actually I think most people agree that capitalism is good.

If you ask ten people for a definition of capitalism, you'll get ten different answers.

"Capitalism" is a system of rules for economic interactions- for example, title-based property ownership, and quid-pro-quo exchange using currency.  But it's not synonymous with "freedom" like most people apparently think.

Also your view of how ownership would work is naive at best. The system you describe has no hope of working on a large scale unless you are advocating that we live in stone age conditions. You fail to see that property rights are the foundation of securing individual freedom and liberty. If a person can not be garuanteed the right to the fruits of his labor, he is nothing other than a slave. If I build a boat and then choose not to use it for a while, how does it suddenly become someone elses property?

It's hard to speak hypotheticaly about specific situations.

Are you going to be using the boat later?  Are you just going to let it sit around for a while, or are you going to let someone else use it?  Are you going to leave it in the water for several years, which would probably damage it?  In that case, how would you feel if someone else 'rescued' the boat that you would have let rot to worthlessness?  Why aren't you using it for a while?  Is the person who wants to use it someone you know, or a stranger?  Do they know anyone you know?  Did the person who wants to use it ask you first?  If you weren't accessable, did they make a strong effort to find you or to find someone who would know your wishes for the boat?  If you decided you were never going to use the boat again, but wouldn't let anyone else use it, doesn't that make you a jerk?

These questions are part of universal human nature that anyone in the world trying not to be a jerk would ask.  There's no way to write a law code that fully encompasses "don't be a jerk," and trying to do so results in the current disaster of a legal system.

For other types of property, such as a factory where dozens of people work, the old titular owner should be disenfranchised, because either they were only in it for profit, or they like to have control of people (which is pretty fucked up).  We're against 'private property' (property owned by a title-holding individual whether they use it or not) and 'public property' (property owned by governments) and in favor of 'personal property' (property a person uses alone) and 'community property' (property used jointly with others).

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What is anarchism/anarchy?
Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:04 PM CDT

 There is no such thing as "innate rights". Right are given and taken away by man (or to be more specific: by states. Infact, the very notion of rights implies a state and a class society). Just because the founding fathers declared it to be so, doesnt actually make it true.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: RightWingWacko on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 05:30 PM CDT

Go ahead and crash the tea parties!  We dare you!  We will seek you out and expose the fraud that you are!  You spineless scumbags will stop at nothing to stop us.. Well WE OUTNUMBER YOU!  Why don't you show up looking like the dirtbags that you are?  You wouldn't need to spend the $ on a "suit at a thrift shop"!  Fight like the tough guys you claim to be behind a username and password!  You marxists are nuthing but spineless dirty scumbags that want the USA turned into a banana republic!  If you hate our country so much.. GET THE FUCK OUT!  Move to Cuba or Chavez-uela!  Get the hell out of our lives and let us live in the country we love.  We will NOT back down!  We come ready to fight for the land we love!  Be warned~

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 06:13 PM CDT

It's pretty funny that this crazy person picked an appropriate user name "Right WIng Whacko." This type of douchebag has been the mainstay of the Republican Party for decades.The language in this post also indicates that this ranter is an older person--notice the crazy talk about asking us to "move back to Cuba." That's a sign that this idiot's brain is still clouded by anti-communist propoganda from the 20th century.

This person's attitude is a good illustration of why the Tea Party movement is just a manifestation of the right wing cesspool of rascism, jingoism, imperialism, homophobia and everything else. This person really believes that anybody, ANYBODY, who disagrees with him (or her) is a Marxist, communist, pinko. If this type of moron believes the bilge that Ann Coulter publishes about liberals being communists (sic), then this person is going to believe that everybody is a communist.

I think folks can easily disrupt and destroy the Tea Party movement. When you are dealing with morons, all you really have to worry about is all the right wing money being spent on media that keeps them organized.

Chuck

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Authored by: RightWingWacko on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 08:29 PM CDT

Hello Schmucky!  Guess who?  Older.. not really (low 30's) Racist? (nope- I believe that everyone should be given the same shot no matter what their skin color).. Homophobic? (Wrong again.. While not gay I do have many gay friends that do not agree with me politically but that's ok)-  My Username is meant to amuse you.. The real Wacko's are you Marxists who hate the United States and think it needs "Re-Making"!  Go ahead and be a coward and try to "blend in" with us on 4/15.  We will smell you out!   You disgusting commie pigs will never "blend in" with Patriots! 

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Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 10:23 PM CDT

If the average tea party member is going to go around calling people "commie pigs," then there obviously needs to be a counter-movement to this nonsense. We aren't Marxists here, for the most part. Mostly anarchists. You know, actual anti-government, anti-capitalist libertarians.  We aren't some deluded people who join some corporate-funded astroturf movement who think they are fighting big government.

The tea party movement is nothing but the same old anti-communist, racist, and white supremacist politics of the 20th century.

Our enemies.

Those of you who are too young to remember the old anti-communism of the 20th century shoudl understand that hese assholes are not to be taken lightly. They'll put anybody in jail who disagress with them.

Real fascists.

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Authored by: jprice on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 08:18 PM CDT

To the idiot who wrote this story and those who follow this crap!!!...just what the hell is wrong with being an "american flag waver"?!?!  I happen to be proud to be an American and those of you liberal, ignorant, bleeding heart cry babies can f**king go start your own liberal country where you can pay for all the lazy ass people who won't provide for themselves!  These Tea Party folks are just fighting for their (AND YOUR) individual freedoms!

Guess what?  I agree with the Tea Party movement  ...AND...  I am not racist or a homophobe.  Oh yeah, I am proud to wave an american flag!!! 

Those of you not proud of your country...LEAVE!!!

 

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Authored by: Morpheus on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 07:49 PM CDT

Workers don't have a country.  The concept of countries creates the false impression that we have common interests with our employers.

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Authored by: Wargasm on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 08:49 PM CDT

So the nuts have come out in full force today. I would say they are just illustrating why there is really no point in dialogue with these people. They don't even seem to understand they are on an anarchist site. And I agree with Chuck; if one wants to begin disrupting these events it would be way easier than I think anyone would imagine.

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Authored by: tryin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 09:03 PM CDT

This story must have been indexed by Google and the upward trending Google search of "tea party" has brought these non-contextual tea-tards to the site.

Protip: post more tea party crashing stories going forward.

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Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 10:06 PM CDT

Google News has been indexing Infoshop News pretty much since we started, although we had to fight a successful fight to get them to index alternative news sites.

Good idea. We'll post more tea party jacking stories and calls when people write and submit them.

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Authored by: Chris Parisho on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:36 AM CDT

Oh, I understand.

Isn't it ironic that the author of this thread encourages you to crash the Tea Party events on April 15th, yet when those people whom attend those events learn of your plans they come to this site and crash this thread.

We are only engaging in the same tactics the author of this thread encourages the regular visitors/readers of this site to do.

If you don't like your tactics being used against you, maybe you should reconsider using them against others.

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Authored by: Wargasm on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:46 AM CDT

I have no problem with these "tactics" of yours. And as I said, I don't think it would be too difficult to throw a monkey wrench into these Tea Parties. Your friends can frequent this site for a while, its of no consequence. Maybe some of them will realize that Obama and Hitler aren't conjoined twins.

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Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 06:25 AM CDT

This thread is far from being hijacked. Looks like our anarchist readers are holding their own pretty well. It's good to hear from some Tea Party activists who have some legitimate grievances with Obama and the U.S. government, but some of their comrades are pretty embarassing. Like the guy who thinks that Obama is a Marxist. That's hilarious.

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Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:08 PM CDT

It looks like it hit the wharrgarblsphere late last night (March 31) and was posted on "Fox Nation" (a Fox News website) early this morning.

I figure, there are going to be quite a few proto-fascists here and there, but at least the ones who aren't might get exposed to Anarchist ideas.  I've been tracking them back and posting this:

"I think it’s great how Teabaggers are finally starting to look into Anarchism. I hope you all take this opportunity to learn about the split between Bakunin (one of the first Anarchists) and Marx, Lenin’s mass murder of Anarchists during the Russian Revolution, and the Anarchist CNT-FAI labor union’s heroic struggle against Fascism during the Spanish Civil War."

The main thing, imo, is to just be positive and not hostile.  That would just alienate people who might have become allies otherwise.  Let's show up to tea parties wearing nice clothes, be polite, and proselytize the fuck out of them.  Masks and anger are just going to frighten people who are already confused, and the last thing we need is to be the target of their wrath.  We're not masochists!  We already get enough crap from the police and petite bourgeoisie, let's not make new enemies if we don't have to!

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Authored by: Obamarx on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 09:18 PM CDT

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth!"  Obama is a classic fascist.  Do you idiots even know what fascism is?  Fascism is when a central government controls the means of production.  Right now the Federal government controls 48% of the GDP and well over 50% of banking.  The Tea Party activists are individuals fighting for their freedom!  It's incredibly ironic to me that the "conservatives" are the ones fighting for enforcement of the U.S. Constitution which is the single most liberal document written for the benefit of the individual.  It is a negative constitution which outlines what the government cannot do to every individual!

www.obamarx.info

 

 

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Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 10:16 PM CDT

Oh brother! Is this what passes for intelligence in the Tea Party movement? This sounds like regurgitated nonsense from Fox News and right wing books. Utter rubbish.

Obama is a Marxist? That's hilarious! Obama is a Republican in Democratic clothing. He's the biggest pro-corporate, conservative Republican since Bill Clinton. Obama doesn't even qualify as a liberal, he's so much in bed with the right wing corporate interests. Obama is no Marxist either. People who think that Obama is a Marxist should crack a book and learn what Marxism is really about. Or try fucking Wikipedia if you are intellectually lazy.

If Obama is this raging Marxist in favor of Big Government, then that means that George Bush II and every Republican going back forever is also a raging big government Marxist. What exactly has changed with the U.S. government since Obama took office? It's still the big pro-corporate, imperialist Empire it was when George Bush was President. George Bush spent the same billions of dollars on the SAME government programs that Obama's government is spending money on.

I want to explain one thing to the Tea Baggers reading these comments. If you have your knickers in such a knot over the U.S. government's budget deficits, why the fuck weren't you saying anything when President Bush II was in charge of his big government? Both parties spend taxpayer money in the trillions. Why can't you guys understand that? And if you are so upset about budget deficits, why aren't you calling for a reduction in military spending? Get rid of the military, which is the main reason why budget deficits go insanely high.

But I wasted my time trying to logically explain shit to people who seriously think that Obama is a Marxist. No wonder the rest of the world thinks that Americans are a bunch of blathering idiots.

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Authored by: MD on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 11:34 PM CDT

 Excuse me? Obama cannot be a marxist and a fascist at the same time. Contrary to what Glenn Beck tell you, fascism is rightwing and marxism is leftwing. Anything else is a serious case of revisionism, and i for one will not accept that. 

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Authored by: copycat042 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:31 PM CDT

There is no difference between the ultimate effects of marxism (which is as unattainable as pure libertarianism) and fascism. The only system attainable in the direction of marxism is socialism, which is a statist system (state ownership of the means of production). Fascism (private ownership, but state control of the means of production) is effectively indistinguishable from socialism, in that control of the means of production (property) is de facto ownership of that property.  For example, let's say you own a car, but Joe down the street tells you how you must drive, where you must drive, when you must drive,and even if you can drive that car. Do you really own that car? Socialism is just the more honest of the two, in that it does not try to tell you that you still own property.

 

Both Marxism/socialism and fascism are statist philosophies which are diametrically opposed to the absence of the state that you advocate.

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Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:27 PM CDT

 Yes there are differences and you are being ahistorical by not recognising these and putting these different ways of organising society in the right context. The fascist movement was a movement that rose up in reaction to the strong labour movement at that point - that was its first priority, and it made sure that it crushed the whole labormovement, including anarchists, socialists and socialdemocrats first before anything else. It allied itself with the capitalist class and would have never been able to come to power without their help. Fascism was simply necessary to save Capitalism. And although some individual capitalists may have resented the fact that they had to submit to the collective will of all of the rest of the capitalists in Germany (for example) - most capitalists was happy to cooperate with the nazis because they knew that it was in their interest to do so. Infact, most countries in the western world did similar things (but not by similar means) - it was simply necessary for the state to get more involved, help crush any sign of the fightingspirit of the workingclass and help reorganise the society in similar ways as the fascists. This is also why the fascists had the support of most of the rulingclasses and most of the so-called conservatives too (the fascists were deeply conservative and even chatolics in some cases, which is why they were supported by the chatolic church, by the way) all over the western world, including America. It was only when the Germans decided to expand and threaten their capitalists neighbours that they became the enemies of what later became the allies. The right was loving the fascists back then. I mean, it wasnt "progressives" who was inspired by the fascists and therefore started local nazigroups in their own countries - it was conservatives! Good, god-fearing christians; afraid of the scary marxists who they felt was a threat to their freedoms and property rights. Scared of how the marxists and ethnic minorities was destroying the culture and moving it away from a glorious past when the nation was perfect. Sounds familiar? 

You see, history is not as black and white as you and the likes of Glenn Beck would have us believe. It is actually quite complicated once you move away from ideological propaganda and the abstract, and back into the real world.

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Authored by: copycat042 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:39 PM CDT

I still see little difference between the two (both are statist systems), but I will accept that you see marked differences.

You seem to have an antagonistic view of capitalism. What is your definition (and explanation) of capitalism?

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Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 05:01 PM CDT

 Thats like saying that there is no difference between anarchists and [rightwing] libertarians. It is simply intellectually lazy to make such a claim. But more importantly, this is not done by ignorance. It is a consious attempt by the right to CHANGE HISTORY. I think it is very important that we dont let them do that.

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Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:23 PM CDT

How they look might have been similar, but how they came about was different, and it's important to understand how they came about if we want to prevent them from happening again.

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Authored by: Obamarx on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 11:50 PM CDT

Hey Einstein: Right and left is based upon where the parties literally sat in England's parliament and/or the House or Senate of the United States. 

Stalin, Lenin, Castro and Mao were all Marxists, Communists AND Fascists.  Obama is also a fascist.

The definition of fascism is:

1. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. 2. the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism. 3. a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
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Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 12:01 AM CDT

No genius: left and right comes from where the parties sat in the french parlament. Yeah, thats true. And your point is? Your definition of fascism is either wrong or extremly weak. So i will have to give you a big "FAIL!" on that one.

 

By the way, the closest thing to real fascism in america is the tea party movement itself: a bunch of petit bourqoises and uppermiddleclass morons who are in the pockets of the most reactionary parts of "big business", wants to save their own classposition against the lower classes and wants to restore order again to a state and a culture that has become degenerated and are using militant street actions to achieve it. Jupp sounds pretty close to me.

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Authored by: Obamarx on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 05:45 AM CDT

Obama is a marxist fascist www.obamarx.info

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Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 06:22 AM CDT

Wow! You are a complete fucking idiot! Obama is a Marxist? Do you even know what Marxism is, or did Glen Beck tell you that Obama is a Marxist?

It's pretty widely known that President Obama is a conservative Democrat. His policies are ample evidence if this. So he's pretty much a Republican.

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Authored by: Obamarx on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 09:27 PM CDT

BTW: The founding fathers of the United States AND the Tea Party activists were and are closer to anarchists than centralized command and control fascism, socialism, marxism or centralized federalism.  The constitution intended for the power to be decentralized and as close to the people as possible versus allowing every iota of our lives controlled by 536 "elected" officials of either of the two parties which use our money to plot political schemes against all of us. 

It makes no sense to me why anarchists would be against the tea party activists!  Both groups are against centralized command and control!

 

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Authored by: tryin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 10:44 PM CDT

Although it is true that both groups are against centralized control, you are doing yourself a dis-service to say that the Tea Baggers are really anti-corporate, non-hierarchical, anti-statist. The Tea Party movement does not question the authority of state power, but only questions centralized state power -- in the form of a perceived limitation of individual state rights and powers. In this sense the Tea Party is still Statist -- in that, there is no critique of power at a state, county, or municipal level.

 

Also, the Tea Party, although demonstrating and mobilizing, still is invested in the perpetuation of electoral politics -- "we'll vote out the problem, and vote in the solution". Sorry, that is not Anarchy, of any stripe.

And, what to say of the racism, fascism, and the "peasants doing the bidding of the State".

The Tea Party Movement is a logical and predictable extension of the way American culture has always worked. In this way, I don't fear it -- but, I am wholly against it.

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Authored by: Chris Parisho on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 12:38 AM CDT

" In this sense the Tea Party is still Statist -- in that, there is no critique of power at a state, county, or municipal level."

 

Incorrect.

We critique any abuse of power or authority at any level of government. We believe that of the 3 levels (local, state, and federal) the majority of the power should be at local, then state, and lastly and the least at federal. This is how the framework of government was built in the Constitution and we have increasingly strayed from that over the last 100~150 years.

In my city and county there are a couple elected representatives who are pro-big government and I as well as many others are actively working against them in their campaigns to get them out of office. Same goes for the state level.

I regularly contact my representatives at all levels about issues to express how I believe about the issue. Sometimes it is in support, others it is in opposition.

That is how government should run.

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Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 01:18 AM CDT

That is how government should run.

I other words, the Tea Party movement is comprised of statists.

Anarchists, on the other hand, are anti-statists. We are the original libertarians.

The Tea Party movement may consist of people who are anti big government, but they are still for goverment. And their movement is being run by a bunch of big government welfare queens known as Fox News. Have any of the Tea Party activists criticized the fact that Fox News is the beneficiary of a government-controlled media system?

Chuck

 

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Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 01:36 AM CDT

 But can you even say that they are against "big government"? I mean, Glenn Beck and the others are talking about wiping out all "progressives", including the democratic party. That sounds pretty totalitarian to me. The teaparty movement need "big government" to be able to protect the property rights (because, lets face it; thats what this is all about) that they are fighting for. The freedom of the bourqoise individual means the tyrannic state for everybody else. Thats how it works.

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Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 01:38 AM CDT

 This is obviously ignoring all the ideological mystifications that they themselves might, and prolly does, believe in.

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Authored by: Chris Parisho on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:17 AM CDT

Hi, Chuck.

If you need to label us then do as you feel you must. I would go with the labels of Constitutionalists, or pro-limited government myself. See we understand that there is some limited need for government.

Total anarchy may be your ideal solution, but it isn't mine. The closest I would come to your ideal is that government at any level has no right to tell me how to live my life, its only role is to see to it that in living my live I don't violate the rights of others and if I do that other person has a legal recourse to seek compensation from me.

And by the way, Fox News doesn't run anything with regard to the Tea Party groups I'm involved with. They may report on Tea Party activities more than the other networks, but judging by the Fox News ratings that is just a sound business decision to cover stories the others don't.

Edited on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:19 AM CDT by Chris Parisho
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Authored by: Morpheus on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 06:55 PM CDT

Actually, the constitution established a much stronger national government compared to the articles of confederation that came before it.  The Federalists were quite statist.  John Adams had newspaper editors imprisoned for supporting Republicans.

Tea Partiers are very selective in the parts of the state they oppose.  The most violent arms of the state, the military and police, never seem to draw their ire.

Local tyranny is still tyranny.

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Authored by: Bringitonlefties on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 09:48 PM CDT

Hey...in case any of you lefties are actually considering "crashing a tea party"...I'll be at the one in Downtown Columbus on April 15. I'd love to see you try it. I'm not sure you are ready to deal with thousands and thousands of patriots who are fed up with your BS. Bring it on lefties...we're waiting for you.

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Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, March 31 2010 @ 09:53 PM CDT

Can't speak for people in Ohio, but I imagine that more and more people will be attending, monkeywrenching and fighting these idiotic right-wing Tea Bag protests.

I think I'm in agreement with those who say we need an anti-racist movement against these fucktards.

Shut them down and drive them out of town!

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Authored by: Chris Parisho on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 12:28 AM CDT

For an "independent news service" this post is awfully slanted and biased.

But dispute that we Tea Party Patriots welcome anyone who is interested in joining our civil protests , even if you have a differing opinion.

Just be forewarned, if you come and act disruptive, shout people down who are trying to take their turn to speak, try to pretend do be a Tea Party then scream hateful language to try and give the group as a whole a bad reputation, or engage in the kind of behavior seen at most "left" protests (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfEAn-7oGk) then we will point you out to the authorities (we always have off duty police and/or sheriffs acting as security) so they can deal with you in the appropriate manner.

Anyone who engages in the above uncivilized behavior will be documented and exposed for all to see.

Our goal is to exercise our right to speak. It you try to interfere with that then clearly your objective will be to try and disrupt the free expression of opinions and ideas because you either fear others learning the truth or you know you have no fact based counter opinions or ideas which validate your positions and thus have to resort to suppressing the opinions and ideas of the other side.

Edited on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 12:39 AM CDT by Chris Parisho
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Authored by: tryin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 12:59 AM CDT

"Just be forewarned, if you come and act disruptive, shout people down who are trying to take their turn to speak, try to pretend do be a Tea Party then scream hateful language to try and give the group as a whole a bad reputation, or engage in the kind of behavior seen at most "left" protests (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfEAn-7oGk) then we will point you out to the authorities (we always have off duty police and/or sheriffs acting as security) so they can deal with you in the appropriate manner."

 

Uh-oh. I can see where this is going to go. "Try to pretend do be a Tea Party", I just might have to try to pretend to do be a Tea Party. I wonder if that would be like "doing being totally out of control".

;) Y'all catch my drift.

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Authored by: Chris Parisho on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:02 AM CDT

Oh look, you can't manage to come up with an argument against or a debatable thought about anything I wrote so you attack a typo.

What next, name calling?

Never mind, I see you've already done that too.

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Authored by: Morpheus on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 07:01 PM CDT

Pointing people out to the authorities.  So much for their anti-state rhetoric.

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Authored by: rabblerouser on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:26 AM CDT

 Ha - just the paranoia will probably cause them to implode on themselves.  How many people are they going to attack as leftist infiltrators for shouting racist slogans and acting crazy only to realize that their whole movement must be leftist infiltrators?

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Authored by: Wargasm on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:40 AM CDT

Well, “tryin” wasn’t attacking you. That post is kind of an inside joke, if you will, that you obviously wouldn’t know about. But I’ll take the bait for now.

“For an ‘independent news service’ this post is awfully slanted and biased.” Infoshop is an anarchist news site, so obviously the articles, and responses are going to be biased towards that train of thought. Anarchists don’t have a wide array of news services, and whatnot, so obviously when we use one it is going to be centered on what is of interest to anarchists. The Tea Party has Fox News, we have this. Lastly, objectivity is a farce.

In regards to your last point, you are confused about intent. I really doubt anyone is going to confront the Tea Party because of the sheer weight of your grand arguments; rather the Tea Party may be confronted because, as someone stated earlier, this is the US equivalent of the National Front. I have yet to see a decent argument from a Tea Party member or anyone involved in some degree with it. All the arguments are partially or a combination of nationalistic, xenophobic, capitalist, blatantly racist or statist sloganeering. The most absurd part about the discussions here today, is that the Tea Partiers don't even seem to realize that people on this site have been confronting Democrats for years, some for decades. So the arguments become actually comical.

In light of all this, it would be perfectly reasonable to expect people to begin confronting this Rupert Murdoch sponsored group.

Edited on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:49 AM CDT by Wargasm
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Authored by: Chris Parisho on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 07:28 AM CDT

If it is an inside joke then so be it.

I understand this site is slanted, my comment which you quoted was sarcastic in nature about the conflicting language "independent news" and "anarchist news". If you want a news source that is geared towards your common ideals that is fine, it is a free country and any group is free to do so.

If you have yet to hear or see "a decent argument from a Tea Party member or anyone involved in some degree with it" then I would suggest that maybe that is due to your mindset. I and those I personally know who are Tea Party Activists are NOT xenophobic or blatantly racist. We are nationalists and capitalists because we believe in the nation as it was founded and we believe in working hard to earn those things which you need or desire in life.

Clearly being a nationalist or capitalist is something you consider to be wrong from your point of view. While I may not fully agree with the anarchist ideals at least I try to understand them.

As for your assertion that the Tea Parties are a "Rupert Murdoch sponsored group" I would say this; show me where Rupert Murdoch sponsored any Tea Party group. I would also ask, if you feel so strongly about a wealthy man sponsoring or supporting a group as you claim and confront Democrats then are you also willing to condemn George Soros who is an active sponsor of left leaning activist groups?

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Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 08:09 AM CDT

Chris: I have at least two family members who have been to Tea Party rallies and who are extremely sympathetic to the movement. One of those family members is not racist or xenophobic. I see eye-to-eye with that person on many issues, but not on abortion, religion and other things. I have another family member who is a lifelong conservative. That person could now be described as a former Dittohead--they think that now that Limbaugh and Beck are crazy. Meanwhile, one of the other Tea Party sympathizers listens to Glen Beck and watches Fox News constantly.

But it's safe to say that the Tea Party movement has many racist members, after all, most of these people are Republicans, a aprty known for its racism (which is not to say that the Democratic Party is much better when it comes to racism). The Tea Party movement needs to be clear about being anti-racist.

Rupert Murdoch and Fox News may not be organizing grassroots Tea Party chapters, but they are supporting the movement through promotion and organizing of the big Tea Party rallies. This has been criticized and documented (and mocked) by Jon Stewart and others. Just look at how favorable Fox News is towards Tea Party activists. Have you ever seen any TV network do the same towards leftist activists of any stripe? No, hardly ever. Leftist activists are lucky if the mainstream media reports on our events or even do acurate coverage of our protests and events.

Chuck

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Authored by: copycat042 on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:17 PM CDT

"The most absurd part about the discussions here today, is that the Tea Partiers don't even seem to realize that people on this site have been confronting Democrats for years, some for decades. So the arguments become actually comical."

 

The core of the tea party movement is made up of many who have been railing on the republicans for years, many have just not been as vocal. Your movement advocates an absence of government control, ours advocates the minimum possible degree of government necessary to maintain our liberty to do what we choose without harm to others. I do not imagine that your movement advocates harm to others, so I fail to see why we cannot coexist in peace.

The group I am a member of has the following values:

-Fiscally responsible government. (If we have to have a government, then don't take my money and spend it on crap I don't care about)

-Constitutionally limited government. (If we have to have a governernment, it should be as small as possible, and be limited to certain specific enumerated powers, not to the whims of the governing party)

-Free markets (if we have to have a government , then it should stay the heck out of my business dealings. it should not take the fruits of my labor, nor should it limit (other than prohibiting slavery) what I can buy or sell)

Aside from the actual existence of government itself, can you find fault with these values?

 

 

Edited on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:19 PM CDT by copycat042
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We are more alike than different.
Authored by: Morpheus on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 07:05 PM CDT

Capitalism is a government sponsored program.  Without the state, you'd have no one to enforce private property.  Wage labor is just another form of slavery, and capitalists are the master class.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Fire Works on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 02:16 AM CDT

Perfect comments from the Tea-Baggers...  muddled parochial binary thinking, angry threats, and lots of jerking-off with the flag. Indymedia trolls make more sense.

Thanks for proving my point: Tea Party Party = National Front 2: Electric Bugaloo.

 

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Tea Partiers = Big Government Conservatives
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 03:15 AM CDT

Here is an email response from an Infoshop collective member to an email from a Tea Party activist:

Reagan passed gun control legislation as Governor of California and as President. Look up the Mulford Act and the Brady Bill. He also supported the 1994 "assault gun" ban.

Reagan increased the Federal payroll by 61,000 employees.

In 1983 Reagan bailed out Social Security, which he had referred to as "closet socialism" to the tune of $165 billion by increasing payroll taxes and taxing Social Security benefits. In 1983 and 1984 he raised gasoline taxes to the tune of $50 billion.

In fact he raised taxes 4 times in his first term.

Let's talk about who the big-government loving "socalists" are. Perhaps you should look up the word "anarchism" before you decide who wants a bigger government. Is it you Reagan-worshiping neocons, or us anarchists?

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: butternut on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:44 AM CDT

Too lazy to find a link right now, but there was an article recently in NY Times or LA Times that said many Tea Partiers are ex-60s radicals.  Not terribly surprising.

The comments are just too perfect.  Some people are just crazy, whether left or right.  But I suspect there's a lot of people at the Tea Parties very much like those who cried at Obama rallies--people who are struggling and who want a better life and who are willing to jump on whatever corporate-sponsored, media-approved populist movement comes along first.  Just as Tea Partiers would say that people were being swindled by Obama, the same is happening on the right too... what seems like a popular, grassroots movement for freedom and liberty and all that is really just a means for the Becks and Hannities to gain control over the masses.  Sure they want an anti-statist movement or a small government... with them at the top giving orders.

And about the comment about gun ownership being an "inalienable right," the irony of rights is hilarious.  Sounds like someone needs to take a basic political theory class and learn that the conferral of rights necessitates government.  On the other hand, there's concepts like armed self-defense and direct action that don't try to use the master's tools, i.e. using rights conferred by the government to undermine the government.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Human on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 04:56 PM CDT

So what's the plan?  Are you going to bite their fingers off?  Maybe rough em up and throw punches?  How many SEIU and Acorn thugs have you hired for this event?

I want details!  This could be very entertaining.  I'm bringing three things:  lawn chair, popcorn and a video camera.  Don't disappoint me pinkos!

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: LiveFree on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 05:15 PM CDT

fascism - dictatorial movement:any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism What's wrong with you clowns?!?!?! Can't you let other people express an opinion without trying to repress it? Are you that afraid of ideas? Loosers.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 05:20 PM CDT

 Nope, thats too broad, too weak. Fascism has a very specific meaning and im not going to let you rightwingers water it out to fit your reactionary agenda. 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 05:27 PM CDT

Anarchists are, by definition, against government, so we're incapable of being fascists. Then there is the long history of struggle against fascism.by anarchists

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 07:07 PM CDT

 "they will really hurt poor people by getting rid of social programs like food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care, etc."

What's wrong with ending State benefits for an "anarchist" site?

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 09:31 PM CDT

Because many people depend on them to surive right now, and if they were eliminated with no alternative millions of people would suffer.  We don't think people should be dependent on government welfare, and we want to create that alternative, but until it's viable we want that safety net to remain.  We're generally anti-misery when it can be avoided.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Leftwingnut on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:16 PM CDT

http://vimeo.com/6784319

You are all ivited to the Tea Parties across the country!   You will all get a free pocket Constitution for dummies!  We do plan to take back the country and take all the FREE crap away!  We will start with food stamps and abortions. I don't really believe in abortions, however in order to form a more perfect UNION we will make exceptions.  Some people should not breed it only creates more lunitics.  We will be in office in time to KILL the BILL, we won't allow funding! 

Your friends in office will join you in the food stamp lines.  I enjoy this site it gives me pleasure in knowing that you are aware enough to know WE THE PEOPLE will fix this mess designed in caves and in sewers like rats.  By the way where are they all hiding are they afraid of coming out or do they only come out at night?  

I enjoy reading all the cussing and theats about guns.  You all should be careful DC is full of Secret Service and Police!  It is never too late to leave the DARK SIDE.  It is never to late to get a job, whoops I forgot who needs a job when you got obama? 

In all honesty we do want you all to come to every Tea Party we will be the ones with American Flags! 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:27 PM CDT

whoops I forgot who needs a job when you got obama?

You do know that we despise Obama, like all Presidents, right?

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Wargasm on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:38 PM CDT

I see you think we should explain to these people what anarchists are typically for and against, and I honestly believe you are well intentioned, but if I can quote “Fireworks”…

“Don't kid yourself into thinking that rational discourse will enlighten these people…These yahoos are the USA's version of the National Front boneheads-- it would be wise to act accordingly.”

There may be a person or two involved in this group that may be capable of actually discussing things, but anyone who comes to an anarchist site railing against Obama, in an effort to offend an anarchist is really out there. It would take years of dedicated work to even have a reasonable discussion with such a person, and I don’t see much of a point in it.

 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:49 PM CDT

Mostly, I'm bored.  And you're right that rational discourse is *probably* futile; but, in that case, we're not actually appealing to them, but to people who are neither anarchist or fascist; and I think the best way to do that in this case is to be polite.  Even if it all goes to hell and everybody's killing each other, let's be the ones who say "Excuse me, terribly sorry".  What does being rude get us?  It just makes us look petulant.  Why not take the high road?  Either ignore them, fight them, or try to reason with them; but if people do what the article says, we'll just look like fools, and that doesn't help anything.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Leftwingnut on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:16 PM CDT

NO!  I think you people can't decide what you are, liberals, facist, maxist, communist, prgressives, you only change your calling card to hide in another spot.  If you don't like obama, why are you so worrried about the Tea Parties and what is your reason for crashing the party?  Why do you need all this so called free stuff!?  There is nothing for free, someone always pays!  I truly wish all of you would come to the Tea Parties and see that we don't want to change our country it was just fine until obama showed up from where ever the hell he is from.  Come join the Tea Party in DC no one will bite you, do something good for yourself and your families be a Patrot.  If you think the little party we had last year was something wait until April 15th, July 4th and don't forget to be in DC September 9-10-11and 12th for an eye opener.  Concervatives will take back the country and the FREE lunch will be over!  We will do it with out violence or theats or guns.  The country is pissed off and our first party starts in 14 days from today!  We welcome all of you!  We plan to drill for oil, drive big ass cars and SUV's, leave the lights on, buy more guns as everyone needs a gun.  We want to build more NUKES and use them! 

Did you hear that they found a Global Warming specialist in Anartica froze to death?  I am not sure how long ago he died, but I think it was resent.  Then they found out that the Polar Ice Cap is Growing at a rate three times faster then predicted.  Everyone would not be so angry if they did things in the open as promised and if they had any facts to back their lies up with.  Thre is no need for Cap and Trade it is all BS.  Thre is no reason that everyone in this country can't have anyhting they work for, until the Feds step in and force everything on a free country.  We will be in peace for now, we will assemble in peace for now!  We will ask these people to stop peacefully for now!

Last year 2009 160 million guns were purchased and billions of rounds.  That don't count guns sold in the black market or the ammo.  That don't count the millions alread owned.  Do you people rally think we are going to give our country away?  Do you realize why we have a 2nd Amendment?  Do you realize why we have a Constitution?  It is not a TOY and it is not living and it is not designed to change or ignor.  It will be our duty to defend this country at all cost and it will not be pretty, Give me Liberty or Give me Death!  Now we say this in every way we can peacefully, but the pot is boiling.  Are we a threat no, we are real and we will fix this mess!

So one more time come in peace and join with us!

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: tntreehugger on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:54 PM CDT

you said:

"We plan to drill for oil, drive big ass cars and SUV's, leave the lights on, buy more guns as everyone needs a gun.  We want to build more NUKES and use them! "

Why do you hate America?

Why do you want to destroy the land of your birth?

Why do you want to encourage Big Business to make more oil spills, toxic waste sites, air pollution, mountaintop removal, nuclear waste dumps and all the other pollution that destroys our beautiful country?

Why do you suck up to corporate power?

Why do you worship authority?

Why are so mad at a so-called Democrat who just passed a health care plan based on Republican plans in Massachussetts and from Gingrich's Contract On America and the Clinton years?

Why aren't you protesting mandatory car insurance?

Why are you so historically illiterate and factually challenged?

Why do you hate America?

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: exposingtyranny on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 10:56 PM CDT

Hey Admin, are you a completely illiterate, unread, toolbag that has never opened a history book?

No. You obviously are not. But you and your organization are a wonderful little CIA psyop taking advantage of youth's angst and lack of historical knowledge. 

Everything that you cite is fallacy.  You lump together libertarians and fascists as tea party members, hovever, these two are polar opposites. To the contrary, the US government is a fascist regime a la Mussolini.  You seem to favor this though, so then, would it not be correct to assert that you are not true anarchists, like the anarchists that fought against Mussolini; rather, you are a statist - a fascist yourself - the furthest thing from being an anarchist.

Some anarchist you are.  Those involved with the tea parties are more anarchist that the likes of you and your ilk. 

Please...

Oh, I'm also quite amused with your editorial policies which essentially disallow for dissent, and further, reject anything historical.  What fools.  But that is to be expected, as you are afterall an operation of our own government. 

 

 

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Authored by: tntreehugger on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:47 PM CDT

this website is CIA a psy-ops operation?

that is fucking rich. 

really?

dude, you need therapy for being that paranoid.  or maybe you are just that stupid. 

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You\'re allowing yourself to be divided and conquered
Authored by: PoliticalAtheist on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:14 PM CDT

If you think the left/democrats/progressive establishment is different from the right/republican/conservative establishment you are completely fooled by the left/right paradigm that keeps us divided and conquered. They're keeping us fighting each other and distracting us from the real criminal gang rape that is being perpetuated by both parties.  Everyone needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize that Obama is George W. Bush Act III. All the partisan bickering is all an act. Think pro wrestling. Don't believe me? How much of our money has been laundered to big corporations through Bush's TARP bailouts that are expanded by Obama. Look at who the major donors and lobbyists are to both the dems and repubs. There's no such thing as a free lunch and these corporations want a return on their investment. And its only getting worse.

As for Alex Jones, he exposes the truth about both parties. Ron Paul has been yelling from the top of the capitol that Congress is a total pimp game. You haters ought to take a second and open your mind and check out what they have to say. You'll be amazed.

 

 

 

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You\\\'re allowing yourself to be divided and conquered
Authored by: Leftwingnut on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:38 PM CDT

Hey P A,

Bush signed the TARP because Palosi and the dems begged him too!  If it is Bush's TARP, why does obama always want cridit for it?  if it was Bush's war why does obama want crdit for it?  On the other hand I am clsoe to agreeing with you and some others here.  The truth is this litle group is nothing and they won't show in any numbers to anything, they don't have jobs and you can't drive a food stamp!  Maybe obama will reach into his private stash and get some buses for them, by the way his stash is the TARP.  He has used TARP as his stash to buy votes and put all this crazy crap together.  There is a price for everyhting and he has thrown his party under the bus!  Now we will have to finish them off in November!  They don't care because he has given them jobs with big bucks for their votes.  So you know the Tea Party in not about D's, R's, or I's, we will pick our candidates and they will be Concervative.  We have no aliegence to any party and they know it.  The R's think they own us, I have knews for them, they are all going to be fired.  It is time for new blood and term limits.  Enough with rolling these old turds in to vote out of a wheel chaire from the home!  Today isa great day Ted Kennedy has been sober for over 4 months!

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Authored by: tntreehugger on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:43 PM CDT

"Concervative"?

really?  you can't even fucking spell your own political movement?

idiot.

 

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: tntreehugger on Thursday, April 01 2010 @ 11:40 PM CDT

Hi Teabaggers,

Welcome to a REAL anti-government website!

y'all say you are for freedom and limited government? 

Why are you against gay marriage?   What is more free than getting to marry whomever you want?      Why do you want to put people in jail for smoking marijuana?  That is government intrusion into private lives that is far worse, pervasive and tyrannical than all your worst fears about the recent health insurance mandate masquarading as health care "reform."    Why aren't you complaining about state government laws that mandate the purchase of car insurance? 

Why weren't y'all protesting Big Government from 2000-2008?   Some of you say you were - prove it. Site the cities you had tea bag protests in that targeted the neo-con anti freedom tyrants in the Bush Administration.   I did not see you in NYC in 2004 during the GOP Convention Protests.

Why aren't you complaining about the Patriot Act that expanded the National Security State?  Or all the money wasted through fraud and corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan?   I think if you really cared about America you would demand that your tax dollars stop being wasted on those stupid wars. You would want the troops home, the tax monies refunded and a stop to imperialist (and expensive) American intervention into other nation's affairs. 

Why don't y'all ever complain about government subsidies to big corporations?  In fact, your government is a big subsidy to capitalism in general, 'cause if we really shrunk the government it would not be there to protect the giant corporations from the workers and public they screw over in the name of mega profits and service to the Banksters on Wall St.

You call yourselves and Patriots and True Americans?    Why aren't you in Appalachia protecting your beloved homeland from being blown to bits by multi-national corporations who are wrecking our homeland for profit and to sell coal to China?  I thought you loved America?  Why aren't you defending it in a real way and blockading mountaintop removal sites instead of dumping tea bags into water fountains?  Why aren't you disrupting the Board meetings of all the Corporations and Banks that have moved our manufacturing overseas? Why aren't you protesting the free trade agreements that encourage the American Business class to betray their countrymen in the name of profit and cheap labor outside our borders?

Like most of the militias, klansmen, religious right, etc...  I think y'all are posers who are too timid to take any real action to defend your nation from the threat of destruction at the hands of the right wing corporate controlled two party duopoly that calls the shots in DC and in state capitals across our fine land.  Y'all are mis-educated Faux News watching fools who wouldn't know a real socialist if he slapped you upside your tricorn wearing heads.  Thomas Paine would spit in your face for being partisan bootlickers of corporate power who only get fired up to "reclaim your country" every time a corporate whore republican in democrats clothing is in the White House.

Why do you support the business and Bankster class when they control the government and continue to fuck you?

Y'all have your little sign waving protests.  Bring your guns and your revolutionary war costumes.  Continue to call a coporate whore a socialist and scream about losing your freedom.  You will accomplish nothing but a big old demonstration of your ignorance. Your movement (and your Party - the GOP) will continue to shrink.

Until y'all demonstrate a grip on reality, with a political analysis that has a basis in fact, you will continue to be the butt of jokes and you can sit around listening to Beck and Dumbaugh and shake your fists in impotant rage. 

Meanwhile, all the anarchists and other activists will continue with the real work of challenging the government and its corporate masters by any and all means and we will have a lot more fun in the streets, in the mountains, forests, courts, neighborhoods, infoshops, convergances and everywhere else we decide to stand up to authority and power.

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Crash the tea parties!
Authored by: Admin on Friday, April 02 2010 @ 06:18 AM CDT

Just an FYI: This story, or call for action, was not written by "admin" or anybody associated with Infoshop News. As far as we can tell, it was submitted by an anonymous person or persons.

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