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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism

New York City's WBAI Radio—flagship of the progressive, non-profit Pacifica Network, where I am a producer—unfortunately provides a case study in the increasing embrace of right-wing conspiracy theory by the remnants of the American (and global) left.

9-11 AT NINE

The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism

by Bill Weinberg, World War 4 Report

New York City's WBAI Radio—flagship of the progressive, non-profit Pacifica Network, where I am a producer—unfortunately provides a case study in the increasing embrace of right-wing conspiracy theory by the remnants of the American (and global) left.

The most useful propaganda device in this ongoing hostile take-over of the rump progressive forces has been an exploitation of the traumatic events of September 11, 2001. Alex Jones, who trumpets anti-immigrant bromides alongside 9-11 pseudo-exposés, now rivals Noam Chomsky as an icon on lefty websites. Where our rhetoric once invoked the military-industrial complex and even the sacrosanct capitalist system, today our ire is frequently targeted at such arcane entities as the Bilderberg Club, the Bavarian Illuminati, and stranger things.

WBAI provides a useful case study because it has followed the same trajectory as many of basically progressive inclination since 2001. What began as an examination of seeming anomalies in the case of 9-11 has lured some of our best minds down a black hole of irrationality that ultimately leads—and this, as shall be demonstrated, is not just hyperbole—to fascism.

Critical Inquiry versus Conspiranoia

Before detailing the dynamics of this deterioration, it is necessary to define some terms for the discussion—and particularly to draw a distinction between legitimate critical inquiry and what we may term "conspiranoia"—a state of perpetual paranoia about conspiracies in high places, in which the improbable and even faintly impossible is treated as a fait accompli if it supports the proffered theory. It may begin with pre-planted explosives or missiles bringing down the Twin Towers, but it frequently doesn't end there—because once you abandon reason, anything goes.

Those who raise such criticisms are inevitably accused of supporting the "official story." This is where the distinction is critical. The question of what was degree and nature of the Bush administration's complicity in 9-11 is a legitimate one. It is also, alas, one the historians are going to be arguing about for generations to come, just like they are still arguing about the Reichstag Fire, the JFK assassination, the Gulf of Tonkin and the sinking of the battleship Maine. There is likely never going to be a definitive answer to it. That doesn't mean that inquiry isn't worthwhile. However—especially as concerns our activist efforts against the war(s) and loss of freedoms—there is limited utility to getting obsessed with the minutiae of 9-11.

The output of the lugubrious mini-industry which has sprung up around 9-11 conspiranoia has become increasingly toxic over the passing years. The most innocent of the DVDs and books are just poorly researched, merely exchanging the rigid dogma of the "official story" for another rigid dogma, no more founded in empiricism or objectivity. But, not surprisingly, lots of creepy right-wing types have got on board, using 9-11 as the proverbial thin end of a wedge.

The reason this is is not surprising is clear to anyone who understands the dynamics of the populist end of the political right—and the rise of classical fascism in Europe in the first half of the 20th century.

It also has to be made clear in this context that conspiracies, of course, exist. Contragate was a conspiracy; Watergate was a conspiracy; and whoever was behind 9-11, it was a conspiracy. Whether it was al-Qaeda, the Bush administration, the CIA, Mossad or the Illuminati, or any combination thereof, it was a conspiracy—obviously. Conspiracies exist, and are worthy of examination. The fallacy is what has been termed the "conspiracy theory of history," the notion that conspiracies explain everything that's wrong with society. This is a reversal of reality. It is political economy, not conspiracy theory, that explains what is fundamentally wrong with society—understanding power relations and wealth inequities. The conspiracies are merely a symptom of the prevailing political economy—just like war, terrorism, bad propaganda and fascism.

Fascism in its classical form is predicated on the notion that there is a hidden elite—whether it is the Jewish bankers or, in updated versions, the Trilateral Commission, Bliderbergs, Illuminati or shape-shifting reptilians (about which more later)—that controls everything, and is "the" problem.

These entities aren't "the" problem, nor do they control everything; nor, often, do they even exist. The Trilateral Commission does exist; you can go their website. The Bilderbergers have no website because they don't exist in any formal sense; they are just a group of bankers and industrialists who periodically get together in a high-end hotel and kick back martinis and schmooze. The Illuminati existed two centuries ago; it doesn't exist any more. The shape-shifting reptilians assuredly do not exist.

The obsession with conveniently hidden elites serves to let off the hook the very real elites that are in plain sight. It has become utterly unfashionable to say it, but the problem ultimately is not the power of hidden elites, but that we live under the capitalist system. This is why conspiranoia is inevitably a useful tool of those who seek to distract us from class analysis.

The Slippery Slope to Shape-Shifting Reptilians

WBAI's embrace of conspiracy theory started with the comparatively innocuous 9-11 musings of the Loose Change videos, the first to be offered as fund-drive premiums. But it is predictable that it got increasingly sinister and wacky from there. Some of the ensuing 9-11 conspiracy hucksters promoted by WBAI not only didn't have their ducks in a row in terms of research, but were creepy fascistic types. Eric Hufschmid, producer of the Painful Deception video, has a website full of anti-immigrant xenophobia and Holocaust revisionism. Of course, he uses the soft-sell approach—in the 9-11 video there isn't any xenophobia or Holocaust denial. You have to go his website to see that he's a xenophobe and revisionist (read: likely Nazi-nostalgist).

Next was WBAI's promotion of The Money Masters, a DVD purporting to expose the international banking conspiracy to undermine American sovereignty. This was pretty much straight-up right-wing nationalism, and had, at least, a strong fascistic undertone. The next entry was Spanish conspiracy guru Daniel Estulin, author of The Secrets of the Bilderberg Club, who asserted that Obama was put in power by the Bilderbergs to impose "socialism."

Finally, in the summer 2010 fund drive, WBAI crossed the line—promoting a real, live neo-Nazi: a former British sportscaster by the name of David Icke, who hawks a book entitled Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Centre Disaster. This is his lure to draw in newbies who can then be indoctrinated with far stranger and more unsavory things. Icke's is soft-sell neo-Nazism, but neo-Nazism nonetheless; you don't have to dig very deep to find it.

In the material aired on BAI, Icke spoke about the Bilderbergs and the Illuminati. But what he actually believes (or says he believes) lies behind the global power nexus can be gleaned very easily by going to his website, DavidIcke.com. In Icke's world, behind the the Bilderbergs and the Illuminati is the Rothschild banking family and associated powerful Jews—who are literally held to be inhuman. They are, in fact, reptilian aliens from the Fourth Dimension who have mysterious shape-shifting abilities and can assume human form. (I'm not making this up—go to the website.)

The ideology behind all of this comes straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the notorious anti-Semitic forgery which was a pillar of the Nazi propaganda system. It purports to be a secret document revealing how the Jews secretly control the world, using both capitalism and communism as instruments to bring governments to their knees. Icke's bizarre zeitgeist is a mere reworking of the Protocols, which he in fact extensively cites on his website.

The shape-shifting-reptilians thing is admittedly Icke's own little twist. It is a fairly common device of DIY Nazism to assert that the Jews are actually non-human. The Christian Identity movement, which pervades much of the rural radical right in the US, believes that only the white race is truly human; the other races are either sub-human or non-human. The brown-skinned "mud people" are sub-human. The Jews are the non-human offspring of Satan. Both must be exterminated, although the Jews with somewhat greater urgency due to their greater power.

For the Christian Identity cultists, Jews are Satanic offspring because everything is seen through their idiosyncratic spin on the Bible; for Icke they are shape-shifting reptilians, exploiting popular interest in (and credulity about) extra-terrestrials. Both take the Protocols as their starting point.

The Paradoxical Anti-Fascist Rhetoric of Contemporary Crypto-Fascism

Today—at least, hopefully, on WBAI—you don't get very far by openly calling yourself a neo-Nazi. In fact, a standard of contemporary populist invective is to compare our present-day oppressors with the Nazis. How do Icke and his ilk square this?

By applying Hitler's own ideology and propaganda techniques to Hitler himself.

In Hitler's world, everything bad was the creation of evil Jews in high places. So of course, David Icke says Hitler was created by the Rothschilds. In fact, he goes beyond that to argue that Hitler was a Rothschild. And therefore Hitler, like most of those who run the world, was in fact not human but a shape-shifting reptilian from the Fourth Dimension.

This theory is expounded in a screed entitled "Was Hitler a Rothschild?" In a time-honored method of such propaganda, Icke mixes a few grains of truth amidst the sinister wackiness. Although considerably less so today, the Rothschilds were certainly a powerhouse of high finance in the 19th century, and funders of the early Zionist movement. But, betraying his hand rather too quickly, Icke in the second paragraph refers to the Rothschilds as one of Europe's "black occult bloodlines," "working in league with the Illuminati House of Hesse." Then he really cuts to the chase: they are "one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on the planet, and they are shape-shifting reptilians."

Icke seizes on the popular rumor in Germany that Hitler's grandmother was impregnated by a Rothschild baron for whom she worked as a maid. Icke cites a book by a US intelligence analyst, Walter Langer, who looked into this theory after the war and in 1972 published his findings under the title The Mind of Adolf Hitler. If you go to the library and read the book for yourself, you'll find that Langer ultimately decided the rumor was insubstantial.

Icke, however, has no doubts. "[T]here was no way that someone like Hitler would come to power in those vital circumstances for the Illuminati, unless he was of the reptilian bloodline," he writes, adding that "the same bloodline has held the positions of royal, aristocratic, financial, political, military, and media power in the world for literally thousands of years. This is the bloodline that has produced ALL 42 of the Presidents of the United States since and including George Washington in 1789... The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin, were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were manipulated into office, and their country's war effort funded, by the Rothschild's and the other Illuminati bloodlines."

Icke asserts: "These people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a screen and a means to an end." He seems to think this disclaimer lets him off the hook for anti-Semitism.

In a page on his website boosting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Icke even deigns to write: "I speak for Jews who oppose this secret plan which was concocted by Cabalist bankers and rabbis centuries ago and revised periodically. These self-appointed Jewish leaders have put all Jews in jeopardy. They are establishing their world tyranny by stealth—manipulating current events, re-engineering society and controlling perception."

But his tone quickly changes to that of a barely veiled threat: "All Jews will be blamed for the disproportionate role many Jews play unless more speak up and are counted."

Elsewhere on his website, Icke has a photo of a billboard that was placed on a roadside in Iowa by a local Tea Party chapter (improbable allies for WBAI listeners) that reads "RADICAL LEADERS PREY ON THE FEARFUL & NAIVE" below photos of Hitler, Lenin and Obama. The portraits are labeled, respectively, "National Socialism," "Marxist Socialism" and "Democrat Socialism." Icke writes: "Is the Obama-Hitler billboard correct? ...The billboard suggests that Obama is a radical socialist leader similar to Hitler and Lenin. This is, in fact, a true comparison, which is probably why it was papered over so quickly. Obama, Hitler, and Lenin were all initially financed by Rothschild money. If we look at the historical record, we can clearly see that all three leaders were originally puppets of the House of Rothschild."

This is particularly telling. Icke, for all his wackiness, is on a spectrum with the Tea Party movement, which is being mainstreamed with terrifying rapidity. And whether Icke himself is deeply delusional or a mere charlatan, it is clear that many of the Tea-Baggers genuinely think they are anti-fascist—even as they embrace such fascistic elements as paranoid anti-communism, vague but shrill populism, and (too often) open racism.

Leftists Take the Poisonous Bait

This relates to why WBAI and the Pacifica network, which should be a foremost bulwark of resistance against the rise of fascism in this country, are promoting fascism.

The left is complicit in eroding its own vigilance against fascism by using the word "fascism" as a mere baseball bat to beat our enemies with, often with little regard for its actual meaning. Many elements of the reigning system are frighteningly fascistic (aggressive wars, repeal of basic rights, the privileged position of corporate power); many elements of the increasingly conspiranoid opposition culture on the grassroots are also fascistic, despite its relentless anti-fascist rhetoric. This opposition culture consistently misses the boat on the populist lure of fascism, especially in its incipient phases.

Hitler and Mussolini talked a good populist game during their rise to power. Before they each cut their deal with big capital, they even talked a vaguely anti-capitalist line. Hitler posed himself as standing up for the "Little Man" and German sovereignty against the Jewish banking conspiracy—especially in the period from the Beerhall Putsch through the rise of the Brown Shirts, the more populist element of the Nazi apparatus. Then in 1934—the year after Hitler achieved power—the Brown Shirt leaders were betrayed and unceremoniously killed in the Night of the Long Knives. This happened just as Hitler was consolidating his deal with the big German capitalists, the Krupps and the Farbens, who would later avail themselves of slave labor in the concentration camps.

Early fascism nearly always plays to populism and purports to be protecting the little guy against the machinations of all-powerful elites. The error the fascists make—or, more cynically, the lie that they tell—is that "the" problem isn't class stratification but those occulted elites pulling the strings behind the scenes, who can be neatly extricated from the system. And who better to extricate them than the heroic truth-teller who is exposing them? This is both the fundamental fallacy behind fascism, and the psycho-political instrument by which it achieves power.

Failure to grasp this is a grave error, and it is practically universal on the contemporary left. Even Chris Hedges, who should really know better, incorrectly employs the word "corporatism"—used especially by Mussolini to describe his system—to refer to fascism's deal with the bankers and industrialists. That deal was certainly a defining element of classical fascism, but that isn't what the word "corporatism" referred to. It referred to another defining element of fascism: the "incorporation" of populist institutions such as trade unions into the apparatus of the ruling party. This element is invisible to nearly all on the left who today warn of impending fascism.

Most of those who invoke Mussolini's famous "fascism is corporatism" quote ironically do so to refer to the opposite of what they really mean. The corporatist (centralist, clientelist) elements of the US system, instated in the New Deal era, have today been largely dismantled in favor of a corporate (free-trade or "neoliberal") state—that is, one dominated by the big corporations. Classical fascism had both corporatist and corporate elements, using corporatism to control populist currents, and divert popular rage from the ruling class and onto scapegoats (Jews and communists); too many on the left today make the error of only seeing one end of the fascist equation.

Blind to the populist element of fascism, we become vulnerable to its propaganda. Amazingly, among those to exhibit this error in recent days is none other than longtime leftist icon Fidel Castro. Since stepping down from power, Havana's elder statesman has been writing a lot for his blog, "Reflections by Comrade Fidel," which is posted on the website of the Cuban news agency Prensa Latina. His Aug. 19 entry was entitled "The World Government"—traditionally a canard of the political right, which sees the globalist conspiracy as one of the left. The entry consists in its majority of an extended excerpt from Daniel Estulin's The Secrets of the Bilderberg Club. There isn't the slightest initmation that Fidel is quoting Estulin in any sense other than favorably.

Most ironically of all, the Estulin quote includes a citation to far-right cult-master (and convicted credit-card fraud felon) Lyndon LaRouche, in which he portrays the "Aquarian Conspiracy" of the "counterculture" as an insidious tool for social control. Those who can remember back to the 1980s will recall that LaRouche was a big booster of Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative ("Star Wars") program, which was instrumental in driving Cuba's Soviet patrons to collapse. In true fascist style, LaRouche weds paranoia about sinister banking conspiracies with a vicious anti-communism.

So why is Fidel Castro embracing a writer who, in turn, embraces Lyndon LaRouche? It may be cruel to speculate that it has to do with his advancing years, but Fidel did have the humility to step down from power when he felt he was no longer up to it. Maybe his handlers should clue him in that he should stop doing his blog.

But there is, of course, a bigger political point here.

The conspiracy theory of history has right-wing roots, and remains inherently a phenomenon of the right. Its origins are in the writings of the reactionary 18th-century Jesuit Abbé Barruel, who blamed the French Revolution on the medieval Order of Templars. His emulators blamed Freemasons and the Illuminati for the assault on Europe's old order. This became the template nearly a century later for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This document first emerged along with the pogroms, in which Jewish villages were attacked and burned as Jews were scapegoated for the rising of revolutionary currents in the Russia of the czars. It was later adopted by Hitler, and justified his Final Solution. Conspiranoid thinking was seen in America in the anti-communist hysteria of the Cold War, heyday of the John Birch Society; and then in the "New World Order" scare of the '90s, heyday of the militia movement. Since 9-11, the conspiracy milieu has been in a state of hypertrophy, becoming a virtual industry.

Conspiracy theory is what fascism gives the "Little Man" instead of a fundamental change in the system and an overturning of oppressive power relations. Especially with the Tea Party and allied movements perfectly poised to exploit the ongoing economic agony in America and bring about a genuinely fascistic situation in this country, it is imperative that we don't fall for it.

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Bill Weinberg is editor of World War 4 Report and, for the moment, co-producer of the Moorish Orthodox Radio Crusade on WBAI-FM in New York City, an anarchist-themed talk-show featuring the best in world music.

Resources:

http://Bilderberg.org
(Note: This is not the website of the Bilderbergs; they have no website because they don't exist.)

http://Conspiranoids.com
(Satire, evidently)

Rule by Idiocy: WBAI Falls for Right-Wing Conspiracy Theory
by Bill Weinberg, WBAIaction.org, July 2001

From our Daily Report:

Ahmadinejad joins 9-11 conspiranoids
World War 4 Report, March 7, 2010

See also:

9-11 AND THE NEW PEARL HARBOR
Aw Shut Up Already, Will Ya?
by Bill Weinberg, World War 4 Report
World War 4 Report, September 2006

http://ww4report.com/node/8992

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, September 23 2010 @ 07:59 PM CDT

Thanks, Bill, for this excellent analysis. It looks like the American Left has become infected by a parallel kind of Glen Beck know-nothingism. Instead of researching and learning how the system really works (read your Chomsky), American radicals are opting for the intellectually lazy, magical thinking that is the 9/11 Truth / Loose Change conspiracy movement.

This crap has become a bigger obstacle to radical social change than any amount of actual government repression.

Chuck0

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: the1 on Thursday, September 23 2010 @ 11:58 PM CDT

 

Right on!

Now my question is, how do we keep our movements on message and free from proto-fascist shit while still being open and inclusive?  It's easy enough to do with a small membership based organization like a union branch or an affinity group, but what about a large coalition like those putting on anti-war protests?  Should we ban 9/11 truthers, Alex Jones and David Ike followers, etc, from our events?  What criteria do we have for participation, and how to we go about keeping our space only open to those we volunteer to associate with?

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Pomegranate on Thursday, September 23 2010 @ 08:28 PM CDT

Thanks for posting this. I'm always grateful for an opportunity to distance myself from the wing nuts.

 

 

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Anonymous6697 on Thursday, September 23 2010 @ 08:56 PM CDT

I fully support this post, and I can echo its sentiments. In Washington DC, Pacifica's WPFW also routinely goes the "third position" route, by featuring people and programmers who wholeheartedly endorse conspiracy theories like this-- and they largely go unchallenged by "leftists." The only types of people who call in to WPFW to challenge patently ridiculous conspiracy theories are cranky right-wingers who use WPFW's acceptance of paranoid conspiracy theories as a part of a greater slur against all leftists, and this has the side effect of inducing a knee-jerk response by the host and subsequent callers that brands <b>anyone</b> who challenges these conspiracy theories as a right wing lunatic.

 

A perfect example of this occured this year on 9/11, when the topic for our "community comment" program wasn't how 9/11 was exploited to wage war on the global poor, or how 9/11 was exploited to stfle dissent, or how Obama isn't stopping Bush-era civil rights violations, but it was about a headline story in a local, free, small-circulation newspaper that did nothing more than state that <i>a bunch of scientists questioned the official story of 9/11</i>. WPFW has also given free air time to notable cranks (and ouright fascists) like Lyndon LaRouche, who was given a fawning, soft-ball interview by senior programmer Ambrose Lane Sr., and to representatives of the Sudanese embassy who were treated to another soft-ball interview about how "there is no genocide in Darfur," to say nothing of the PSAs and promotions for 9/11 conspiracy theorist events done by various other programmers.

 

I don't mean to have this post serve as a pile-on of the DC activist milleu, but I would be remiss if I did not also include the DC Independent Media Center in this as well. There have been several openly racist and anti-semitic individuals who have-- and to some extent still do-- try to ingratiate themselves with the DC activist community. There is ample documentation of their postings on Stormfront, of their support of holocaust denial and of their support of more prominent figures in the holocaust denial movement. When activists in the DC community attempted to post warnings about these people on DC IMC-- and that these people should absolutely not be welcomed by anyone in the DC activist community-- DC IMC removed and deleted the posts claiming that they were unfounded personal attacks. DC IMC continues to allow posts that promote 9/11 conspiracy theories, 9/11 conspiracy theory events, events sponsored by holocaust revisionists (Holocaust deniers Ernst and Ingrid Zundel's <i>USS Liberty</i> events, for example) and will not delete comments that are blatantly anti-semitic. DC IMC does, however, take a very dim view of persons who post anything related to anti-racist action or anti-fascist action, and will allow their comment sections to fill with idiotic garbage about how "Anti-racist action is a zionist/mossad plot." before deleting the whole thread. DC IMC has also given feature status to peices written by its own editors wherein they attack local activists who have rightly gone after the racist and fascist links to the 9/11 truth movement.

 

This tactic is called "third positionism" and it operates by blending pseudo-leftist/populist rhetoric with xenophobic and paranoid theories that are shamelessly lifted from violent anti-leftist organizations like the John Birch Society. It has no place in any leftist community and it must be stopped. There is no "debate" if the holocaust happened or "if" jews control the world, or how "the Mossad flew cruise missiles camouflaged by holograms into the world trade center towers," and we're not agents of the IDF just because we're calling "Bullshit" on the fact that known white supremacists like Willis Carto openly fund 9/11 "truth" organizations, we're anti-fascists. Who has a problem with antifa but the fascists?

 

Keep up the great work, Bill!

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Unkut on Monday, September 27 2010 @ 03:14 PM CDT

Anti-fascist or 9/11 truth activist is a false dichotomy. One can be both. The American Free Press people are also against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, does that mean that those wars are good then? Cause that's what you're inferring with the 9/11 thing. This kind of simplistic thinking is the problem.

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Authored by: Gonzoideal on Thursday, September 23 2010 @ 11:33 PM CDT

Great article! One of the main tactics used by the establishment in the late 60's early 70's to quell dissent and destabilize revolutionary movements was to instill paranoia and fear, exactly what people like Alex Jones et. al are doing. I agree fully with ChuckO's comment that the modern Left has been infected with this "know-nothingism".

I've run into this conspiranoia in many conversations, and I find that many of the people that buy into it are those who read one side of a story. There is a plethora of information out there, both in left and right wing circles, and we must be careful not to consume ourselves in one niche because it echoes our own thoughts and feelings. like Neitsche said: "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to teach him to hold in higher respect those who think alike, rather than those who think differently"

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Authored by: lawrence on Friday, September 24 2010 @ 05:51 PM CDT

Who the hell was "Neitsche"? Don't you mean Nietzsche?

There are plenty of people who promote a "let's look behind the headlines and the spin and don't trust what the government says" perspective who are not right-wing demagogues like Alex Jones or David Icke. Just because the more ridiculous right-wing morons peddle crap doesn't mean that anything that smacks of such skepticism is automatically absurd or on the road to fascism. That is irresponsible and dishonest, using the well-worn authoritarian tool of guilt by association.

The government lies. As anarchists we're supposed to know this already. You don't need to believe in alien agendas to know that the official story concerning just about anything (like how anarchists are all terrorists or how animal liberationists are in bed with Hamas) is bullshit. That doesn't make you paranoid or a believer in wild and vast conpiracies that are impossible to fight. It makes you a rational skeptic.

 

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: underthepavers on Friday, September 24 2010 @ 09:29 PM CDT

 I think it's important that we don't jump to discredit ideas and thoughts that are critical of the "official" stories we are given just because they seem to be in line with certain persons views (alex jones, or similar)  It seems to me that Chuck frequently writes off many thoughts as pure lunacy any time they even flirt with ideas alex jones may be able to get behind

That being said, I think it is important to point out to people where this line of thought tends to lead. A person very close to me, who for years described themselves as an anarchist, is now what I would call a full on conspiracy theorist.  It is saddening to say the least to hear this person talk of the attacks on christianity, the secret plot to turn everyone gay (through pop culture and media)to slow down human reproduction, the possibility that the holocaust may not have actually happened(at least not on the scale we have been told), zionist control and manipulation of the media, the list goes on and on.  Taken at face vale all seems pretty fascist to me, though he seems to have some very coherent and sober explanations for some of this crazy shit even from an anarchist perspective.  There is most definitely a strong fascist element to alot of the conspiracy shit, it's best to be avoided at all costs.

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 01:53 AM CDT

I'm an open-minded person and have talked with a variety of people in the Turther movement. I have respect for friends and comrades who have questions about what was happening around the events of 9/11. While I'm a big skeptic, I'm also annoyed with people who opt for the magical thinking underlying conspiracy theories when the obvious facts are staring them right in the face. There isn't an "official" story of what happened, rather a consensus story that is backed by hard evidence and facts.

I had some hope in the first months after 9/11 that people would challenge things such as how the public (and independent) experts were kept away from examining the evidence. I think there were some valid concerns that the government let the attacks happen, but I've always held the opinion that the attacks happened because the U.S. government was so fucking arrogant that something like the 9/11 attacks could ever happen on U.S. soil. If the somebody high up in the U.S. government "knew" about the attacks, I think they did little because everybody in power thought the U.S. was invulnerable. Of course, some people in Washington knew the attacks were possible, simply because the WTC had been attacked in the early 90s.

But the 9/11 turned into another conspiracy movement where absolute nonsense was promoted as being "evidence" that the government orchestrated the attacks. You can tell when somebody believes in a conspiracy theory, because they accept everything that is being promulgated in the unified theory. It's not like the Truther movement is comprised of people who are skeptical about the "government did it theory." If somebody is Truther, they will defend every nonsensical, illogical aspect of the alternative theory, including the bullshit crap that a plane wasn't flown into the Pentagon.

I was on the scene at the Pentagon, along with some other anarchists, a few hours after the crash. A plane clearly crashed into that building.

Chuck0

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The Conspiracy Industry and the Lure of Fascism
Authored by: Unkut on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 07:19 AM CDT

"There isn't an "official" story of what happened, rather a consensus story that is backed by hard evidence and facts." - Funny you should say this, because even the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb has stated that "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." It's also interesting how they've never been able to catch Bin Laden after spending trillions of dollars pursuing the 'War on Terrorism'. How he just always manages to evade them but pop up from time to time in video recorded messages with different hair color.

The reason that right wingers have been able to dominate the 9/11 truth movement is because too much of the left have not done their job in investigating the event throughly and have been extremely dismissive and arrogant in their rejection of what are called 'conspiracy theories'. Which is also a buzz word used by the state quite often in an authoritarian manner. Like when George Bush told us that he 'would not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories' about 9/11 that attempt to shift the blame away from the evil Muslim terrorists. One time when Dennis Kucinich suggested that the war in Iraq was about getting oil rather than preventing Saddam Hussein from developing weapons of mass destruction a Republican Congress person called it a conspiracy theory. However the best investigative research into 9/11 and the issues surrounding it comes from left sources, such as David Ray Griffin who's documentation is extremely thorough (even if his liberal political views are lacking). And Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shoan who are socialists and have a great show called Taking Aim that covers a variety of topics related to capitalism and imperialism.

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Authored by: Admin on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 07:34 AM CDT

The right wingers can have the 9/11 turth movement for all I care. To the extent that the 9/11 turth movement resurfaces on an annual basis, I will publicly criticize  and oppose it. I will continue to use Infoshop.org as a platform to expose the movement for the garbage that it is.

It really doesn't matter if Osama bin Laden was involved with the attacks or not. We know for a fact that a group of terrorists organized the attacks. The U.S. government may be pretty nefarious, but it didn't orchestrate the attacks, nor did it allow them to happen.

Getting tired of pointing out the obvious.

Chuck

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Authored by: underthepavers on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 10:36 PM CDT

For the record, I don't take issue at all with your complete dismissal of the "truther" movement, we are in agreement there.  And also fuck alex jones for sure.

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Authored by: smokestack on Friday, September 24 2010 @ 03:58 AM CDT

Interesting to propose a theory that Conspiracy Theories have historically aided in fascists takeovers by whipping up hysteria about jews, communists, and now the vast left-wing conspiracy which President Obama seems to be at the top of. John Steward said it best, the right thinks that Obama takes his orders from a Kenyan muslim witch doctor which is to institute an anti-colonialist socialist christian liberation theology master plan upon America.  Glenn Beck, Fox News, Rush, etc... are all blaming the Vast Left-wing conspiracy in washington and they have been blaming this behind the scenes puppet master for decades, is this the conspiracy theory and hysteria which the Tea Party is totally beleiving in and are they going to institute fascism? classic fascism in the US with marches, burning things, and the mass disappearing of certain ethnic groups that fit the bill?  The liberal elite is def the enemy when it comes to the right wing populist movement.

I see more of a light fascism or low intensity fascism coming into power, we already have it as the article pointed out with the hysteria, the police state, loss of civil rights, and intense warefare. I keep asking myself, does capitalism need fascism right now to keep power or keep us down? The economy sucks and we are doing nothing about it, Americans hate left wing theories as to why, and people are stoked on reading about the mythical founding fathers which Glenn Beck pimp out weekly.

Maybe the post-modern global world doesnt need fascism to kill and turn out profit...it seems neoliberalism is doing a fine job.

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Authored by: Unkut on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 07:24 AM CDT

Any accusations of systematic corruption or wrong doing can be called conspiracy theories, the state gives people conspiracy charges all the time. The reason that fascists were able to come into power was due to propaganda and disinformation campaigns, not necessarily 'conspiracy theories' per se. If you people want to take this intolerance of conspiracy theories to the exteme you'd have to say okay don't talk about anything bad that governments or corporations do ever again. Because in all those events there are typically some level of conspiring among the guilty parties. Disprove disinformation with facts and research not empty rhetoric and guilt by association tactics ("you think a government conspiracy was behind the attack on 9/11 and so do some right wingers = you're a fascist!")

Edited on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 07:27 AM CDT by Unkut
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Authored by: savetheroaches on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 11:27 AM CDT

It's as if people just read headlines and never the story.....        look, if you bothered to read what was actually said, it is clear that, as one of the subheadings says, this is an issue of "critical inquiry versus conspiranoia".    He also clearly says that inquiry into what happened is worthwhile.    His point is that, A.) you're never going to have a definitive answer, and B.) that some people jump to thinking that 'comspiracy' is the answer to everything.

"Conspiracies exist, and are worthy of examination. The fallacy is what has been termed the 'conspiracy theory of history,' the notion that conspiracies explain everything that's wrong with society" sums up most of the points of the article.      It is not that "you think a government conspiracy was behind the attack on 9/11 and so do some right wingers = you're a fascist!", as you have managed to get out of an incomplete and biased reading of this peice.    the point is that trying to convice people that 'bush and his buddies' blew up the wtc can NEVER EVER challenge more than just the bush admin, but not the entire political/economic system that is the united states and the world system.   If something eventually broke linking the bush admin to anything that happened, it would be only them who would take the blame, the rest of the us military machine would be left untouched, and this would be ensured by the same 'biased media' conspiracy theorists rant about.    Anarchists aren't interested in taking down just bush, especially since he's not even in power anymore.    They're interested in attacking the whole system, not just a few elites.      

Whic brings us to the final point of the article.     Bill's point is that "the right wing" has long touted 'conspiracy theories' that point to singular actors/ elites within the system to scapegoat in order to insinuate themselves further into the hierarchy of the system.    This in no way challenges what we face, nor does it alter it in any way other than cosmetically.    "Conspiracy theory is what fascism gives the "Little Man" instead of a fundamental change in the system and an overturning of oppressive power relations"     He's calling on us not to fall for the same old bullshit again.    Those refusing to even read his understanding of it, never mind comprehend it, but still attack it, are no better than people in the media who do the same to protect your precious "official story".

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Authored by: savetheroaches on Saturday, October 02 2010 @ 03:32 PM CDT

The only way it would possibly matter if it was a 'false flag op' or if the bush admin and US govn't simply took advantage of a situation it knew it could, is if you thought that the government was accoubtable in some way or another. Consistent anarchist thought would not find any government to actually be accountable to anything but the state system, or capitalism, it's energy source. If you are trying to convince other people not to support government in general, claiming that a particular one is so much more horrifying than others isn't really an effective or coherent way of going about it.

If it's just about 'imperialism', then why is sooooo much of the information on 'truther' websites geared towards individuals who are to blame (who are really nothing more than performative actors in a system that would work with other individuals preforming the same roles), and not the entire state system? This reminds me of Alex Jones' ridiculous movie the 'obama deception' or whatever it's called, where he rants about haveing to "see the whole chess board" but throughout the whole movie he only focuses on individual chess pieces, becuase to look at the whole board would challenge the basis and fudamental workings of capitalism (which would easily go towards expaining the rise of the new concept of 'carbon markets', as opposed to thinking that 'liberals' made up global warming in order to take over the world, which is just dumb), which Jones could never do because he is a die-hard capitalist. The rhetoric and the practice do not match up.

ps, the 'War on Terror' was launched by Reagan (i believe), and never ended, just like the war on drugs. administrations are just machine cogs with semi-observable personality traits, nothing more.

Edited on Saturday, October 02 2010 @ 03:40 PM CDT by savetheroaches
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Authored by: savetheroaches on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 12:38 PM CDT

as a side note, refering to bush's admin as 'fascist' and not seeing the clinton admin and the obama admin as the same would imply that something the bush admin did was different than other administrations, which isn't true.     clinton's police state polices were amplyfied under bush, and the obama admin has been busy furthering, legalizing, and entrenching those moves.

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Authored by: Admin on Saturday, September 25 2010 @ 04:36 PM CDT

Let me illuminate how absurd the conspriacy theories are by taking the premise seriously that the U.S. government let the attacks happen. Let's apply Occam's Razor to that idea and speculate on how this scenario may have played out.

We have to reject the idea that there was any organized conspiracy within the government to orchestrate or aid the attacks. Such a conspiracy would be repugnant to some people who would find out about the conspiracy and they would blow the whistle. It's always impossible to keep the lid on a conspiracy, because somebody always finds out who tells other people.

It's unlikely that anybody in the Bush administration could have planned the attacks, or let them happen, simply because they had just taken office after a contentious election. They were busy filling positions and figuring out ways to implement their economic and social policies.

That leaves possible elements within the CIA or Pentagon (or another agency) who understood the importance of the U.S. having a bogeyman to fight. Communism in Eurasia had fallen ten yers earlier and in 2001 there wasn't a big picture outside bad guy to drive ideological campaigns. These government agents may have concluded that a terrorist attack on U.S. soil would be adequate to reignite the old trope of outside bad guys trying to destroy America. Of course, these agents could never organize such attacks, because disocvery of such a conspiracy would instantly make the publiuc skeptical of anything the government was trying to scare people with about terrorists,.

Let's say that these elements found out through intelligence that Al Quaeda was planning an attack on the WTC and targets in Washington. They would have opted to do nothing to make these attacks more spectacular. They may have concluded that planes flying into the WTC would cost lives, enough to mobilize public support against terrorism.

So it's absurd that the government would have actively planted explosives in the WTC. If it knew that planes were flying into the towers, those crashes would have been more than enough to inflame publoic sentiment to support a war on terrorism. Conspiracy theorists are even more absurd when they argue that the government blew up Building 7. If there was even a conspiracy to blo up the towers, why the hell would they blow up another building? Just becauwse they had some extra explosives lying around?

The fact is that the U.S. government neither orchestrated or allowed the attacks to happen. It certainly took advantage of the what happened, which is what our focus should be on fighting.

Chuck0

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Authored by: Unkut on Monday, September 27 2010 @ 02:38 PM CDT

The problem w/rejecting 'conspiracy theories' outright is that in instances when the state conducts a false flag operation in order to justify imperialist military conquests and you go with what their version of what it was rather than what the conflicting facts show you're effectively promoting war propaganda.

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Authored by: Admin on Sunday, October 03 2010 @ 01:15 AM CDT

Governments rarely perform false flag operations. Why are conspiracy nuts so focused on this "false flag" bullshit? Don't governments do enough things openly to have plenty of reason to oppose their actions?

Chuck

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Authored by: savetheroaches on Saturday, October 02 2010 @ 03:14 PM CDT

I think you may have misunderstood chock's comment on building 7, and took the opportuity to babble about how it was taken down.    from what he was saying, i think he meant, and i agree, that if there was a huge government conspiracy to take down the towers, why would 'they' then decide to take out building 7 with some dynamite in a way that was publicly discussed during and afterwards?  wouldn't it compromise the situation?   how exactly does the desicion to "take out" buliding 7 in an emergency situation add credibility to the idea that a government led conspiracy placed secret explosives disguised by plane crashes to take out the world trade center?   

I'm sorry, but i agree with Naomi Klien on this one.   Many of the horrible things that happen, happen because we have a system established that invites chaotic collapse and entropy, and there are people who are good at taking advantage of those collapses for the sake of power and profit.    No government conspiracy took out New Orleans, but state led apathy contributed to the many of the deaths, and various people and corporations took advantage of it to enrich themselves and take over what was left of New Orleans in the aftermath.    Same thing on a global scale with 9-11.   Russia took immediate advantage of the rhetoric in the days after 9-11 and launched a full scale attack on the chechnians, but i don't hear many 'truthers' claiming that Russia had a hand in 9-11.   Ethiopia immediately claimed that 'terrorists' in Ogaden and Somalia helped in 9-11, and lobbied for years to get more American funds/guns to kill people in those places. (they have since succeeded in getting the US's attantion, and have killed enough Muslims while screaming 'terrorist' that now al queda is actually there.   It's not the Ethiopia 'hired' them or anything, but just like governments after 9-11, people calling themselves al queda have taken advantage of the situation and set up base there)  Why don't i hear conspiracies about how the Ethiopian regime did it?    Most governments took advantage of what they saw as an easy opportunity to repress various populations in the aftermath of 9-11, the US simply has more reach than many others.   To believe that the US orchestrated the event for it's own benifit gives far too much credibility to the effective planning and coordination power of the US.   It may seem like a rational beast, but it's not, that's just 'realist' rhetoric that has permeated our culture.

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Authored by: nexangelus on Monday, September 27 2010 @ 12:35 PM CDT

I'd like to point out a number of inaccuracies in your article, firstly. There is a Bilderberg website and they do exist: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html The mainstream media even acknowledge their existence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7804197/The-Bilderberg-Group-fact-and-fantasy.html  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/jun/10/bilderberg-2010-out-of-darkness   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/what-are-the-bilderberg-group-really-doing-in-spain-1991021.html   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/06/daily_view_bilderberg_group_co.html

Whilst I am no fan of Icke, you have misquoted him, in fact he never said or wrote those words that you attribute to himself. It was from an article by Henry Makow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Makow  had you bothered to read the article on Icke's website and search for the origins of it. http://www.henrymakow.com/our_terminal_disease.html And even then, the quote itself, is not saying all Jews are to be blamed, but because of the select few Zionists, unfortunately a lot of people will judge the whole of Jewry...the few spoil it for the many so to speak. People who are anti-Zionist are not anti-Semitic, I can think of many Jewish people who are "self-hating Jews" because they oppose Zionism and the State of Israel and the damage it is doing to Jewry itself. (The Shministim, Naturei Karta, Norman Finkelstein, Gideon Levy, Noam Chomsky and the list could go on and on.)

Onto the article itself. When all else fails, compare groups of people to fascists or say what they are espousing leads to fascism. The truthers do it, you have just done it, people who don't like what other groups stand for do it as well, this seems to be human nature all over. Misunderstand people, then label them, an easy cop out. There are some points I agree with within your article, that within any organisation or group (do all Truthers believe the same things, somehow I don't think so) there will be extremists. What I mean by this, is that there will be those that will take things to the extreme, the ridiculous - Alex Jones, David Icke and many of the other alien obsessed truth seekers do this, I feel. I am a truth seeker and I am not racist, homophobic, xenophobic or any of the things you just lumped onto those who seek the truth. I am loathe to label or affiliate myself with any part of the Truth Movement simply because I question a lot of the theories and information that is circulated, top that off with highly defensive and sometimes downright nasty responses to challenges one poses them.

I am a truth seeker and I am still in the process of analysing a lot of the information that a lot seem to be brainwashing themselves with. I am not fascist, neither do I act in a fascist manner. If someone challenges me in a reasonable manner and with sensible debate I am willing to listen and learn like anyone else. I am anarchistic too, I don't want to follow the herd (yes even Truthing has herds, they are the awakened ones, everyone else is the sheeple), I just want to live my life comfortably, respectfully and freely. I question everything and that includes alternative information, including articles like yours. Hopefully in doing so I will come closer to understanding what I need to without becoming too obsessed. But in the meantime I am researching the similarity of some truthers to the followers of Scientology (some of the ideas and information they hold dear is very similar)...are Scientologists fascists? Are all truth seekers fascists or going to end up that way? I think you are generalising.

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Authored by: skankinjalapeno on Sunday, October 03 2010 @ 02:15 AM CDT

I think you should be very, very careful about your wording. Anti-neo-Zionist Jews do not have to "hate themselves" just because a certain percentage of their faith leans towards fanaticism, and I don't think many of them do. What are you trying to say about Judaism and what exactly do you know about it anyway??

I will be carefully monitoring this thread, and I think other antifascists should as well. This is a very slippery slope. I've learned a lot from this discussion and think people should keep talking. What I know for sure is that anything connected to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion should be totally dismissed, period. I also know that in order for a movement to be truly valid, it should be based on a solid ideology and there should be action behind it- in neighborhoods and communities. I see 9/11 Truthers out there ranting and raving, sure, and sometimes supporting the Tea Party bullshit along with people who claim to be "anarcho-capitalists". I don't see them out there trying to build social movements OR working to build the kind of world they would like to see in place of the current system.

In order to keep this discussion alive, I will be posting this story to FB regularly.

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Authored by: skankinjalapeno on Tuesday, October 05 2010 @ 08:52 AM CDT

Just replying to keep this story in view on the side of the main news page, as it has dropped off.

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