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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

Howard Zinn, the Boston University historian and political activist who was an early opponent of US involvement in Vietnam and a leading faculty critic of BU president John Silber, died of a heart attack today in Santa Monica, Calif, where he was traveling, his family said. He was 87. "His writings have changed the consciousness of a generation, and helped open new paths to understanding and its crucial meaning for our lives," Noam Chomsky, the left-wing activist and MIT professor, once wrote of Dr. Zinn. "When action has been called for, one could always be confident that he would be on the front lines, an example and trustworthy guide."

By Mark Feeney, Globe Staff

Howard Zinn, the Boston University historian and political activist who was an early opponent of US involvement in Vietnam and a leading faculty critic of BU president John Silber, died of a heart attack today in Santa Monica, Calif, where he was traveling, his family said. He was 87.

"His writings have changed the consciousness of a generation, and helped open new paths to understanding and its crucial meaning for our lives," Noam Chomsky, the left-wing activist and MIT professor, once wrote of Dr. Zinn. "When action has been called for, one could always be confident that he would be on the front lines, an example and trustworthy guide."

For Dr. Zinn, activism was a natural extension of the revisionist brand of history he taught. Dr. Zinn's best-known book, "A People's History of the United States" (1980), had for its heroes not the Founding Fathers -- many of them slaveholders and deeply attached to the status quo, as Dr. Zinn was quick to point out -- but rather the farmers of Shays' Rebellion and the union organizers of the 1930s.

As he wrote in his autobiography, "You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train" (1994), "From the start, my teaching was infused with my own history. I would try to be fair to other points of view, but I wanted more than 'objectivity'; I wanted students to leave my classes not just better informed, but more prepared to relinquish the safety of silence, more prepared to speak up, to act against injustice wherever they saw it. This, of course, was a recipe for trouble."

Certainly, it was a recipe for rancor between Dr. Zinn and Silber. Dr. Zinn twice helped lead faculty votes to oust the BU president, who in turn once accused Dr. Zinn of arson (a charge he quickly retracted) and cited him as a prime example of teachers "who poison the well of academe."

Dr. Zinn was a cochairman of the strike committee when BU professors walked out in 1979. After the strike was settled, he and four colleagues were charged with violating their contract when they refused to cross a picket line of striking secretaries. The charges against "the BU Five" were soon dropped, however.

Dr. Zinn was born in New York City on Aug. 24, 1922, the son of Jewish immigrants, Edward Zinn, a waiter, and Jennie (Rabinowitz) Zinn, a housewife. He attended New York public schools and worked in the Brooklyn Navy Yard before joining the Army Air Force during World War II. Serving as a bombardier in the Eighth Air Force, he won the Air Medal and attained the rank of second lieutenant.

After the war, Dr. Zinn worked at a series of menial jobs until entering New York University as a 27-year-old freshman on the GI Bill. Professor Zinn, who had married Roslyn Shechter in 1944, worked nights in a warehouse loading trucks to support his studies. He received his bachelor's degree from NYU, followed by master's and doctoral degrees in history from Columbia University.

Dr. Zinn was an instructor at Upsala College and lecturer at Brooklyn College before joining the faculty of Spelman College in Atlanta, in 1956. He served at the historically black women's institution as chairman of the history department. Among his students were the novelist Alice Walker, who called him "the best teacher I ever had," and Marian Wright Edelman, future head of the Children's Defense Fund.

During this time, Dr. Zinn became active in the civil rights movement. He served on the executive committee of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the most aggressive civil rights organization of the time, and participated in numerous demonstrations.

Dr. Zinn became an associate professor of political science at BU in 1964 and was named full professor in 1966.

The focus of his activism now became the Vietnam War. Dr. Zinn spoke at countless rallies and teach-ins and drew national attention when he and another leading antiwar activist, Rev. Daniel Berrigan, went to Hanoi in 1968 to receive three prisoners released by the North Vietnamese.

Dr. Zinn's involvement in the antiwar movement led to his publishing two books: "Vietnam: The Logic of Withdrawal" (1967) and "Disobedience and Democracy" (1968). He had previously published "LaGuardia in Congress" (1959), which had won the American Historical Association's Albert J. Beveridge Prize; "SNCC: The New Abolitionists" (1964); "The Southern Mystique" (1964); and "New Deal Thought" (1966).

Dr. Zinn was also the author of "The Politics of History" (1970); "Postwar America" (1973); "Justice in Everyday Life" (1974); and "Declarations of Independence" (1990).

In 1988, Dr. Zinn took early retirement so as to concentrate on speaking and writing. The latter activity included writing for the stage. Dr. Zinn had two plays produced: "Emma," about the anarchist leader Emma Goldman, and "Daughter of Venus."

Dr. Zinn, or his writing, made a cameo appearance in the 1997 film "Good Will Hunting." The title characters, played by Matt Damon, lauds "A People's History" and urges Robin Williams's character to read it. Damon, who co-wrote the script, was a neighbor of the Zinns growing up.

Damon was later involved in a television version of the book, "The People Speak," which ran on the History Channel in 2009. Damon was the narrator of a 2004 biographical documentary, "Howard Zinn: You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train."

On his last day at BU, Dr. Zinn ended class 30 minutes early so he could join a picket line and urged the 500 students attending his lecture to come along. A hundred did so.

Dr. Zinn's wife died in 2008. He leaves a daughter, Myla Kabat-Zinn of Lexington; a son, Jeff of Wellfleet; three granddaugthers; and two grandsons.

Funeral plans were not available.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/howard_zinn_his.html

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 05:28 PM CST

Another awesome anarchist bites the dust. We will all miss Howard!

Chuck0

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: ScavengerType on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 07:27 PM CST

Well that sucks.

 

I woulda pegged chomsky as the next one of the two to kick the buckket, what with his liver spots and paleness.

 

87 though, I'd be lucky to live that long.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: SuperKing on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 07:51 PM CST

The fight over for you but it falls now to us.

rest well comrade.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Makhno on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 08:48 PM CST

Chuck0, please!  Howard Zinn an anarchist?  A really nice guy, a committed, passionate activist, and an inspirational speaker and writer, yes, but his politics just weren't that radical.  It was only a few years ago that both he and Chomsky urged people to vote for John Kerry in the 2004 presidential electiion, when they both knew that Ralph Nader was the more progressive candidate, if one were inclined to vote at all.  How I wish I had gotten a chance to ask Zinn about that when he spoke at Northwestern, but they cut off the questions too soon.

I enjoyed reading the People's History of the United States about twenty years ago, but it is a work of polemics, not scholarship.  His writing on history was passionate and wise, but not academically rigorous, unfortunately.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 09:13 PM CST

As far as Infoshop News is concerned, Howard Zinn was definitely an anarchist. I heard him say in person that he identified as an anarchist. The guy wrote a play about Emma Goldman, so I think those things establish his anarchist cred.

You can argue that he was an otlier anarchist and have a point, but the guy just died today.

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: tehanarchy on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 09:33 PM CST

"I heard him say in person that he identified as an anarchist." So does the drummer for slipknot. If "Barney" claimed "anarchism", would he be an anarchist?

"The guy wrote a play about Emma Goldman, so I think those things establish his anarchist cred."  Are you serious?

"You can argue that he was an otlier anarchist and have a point, but the guy just died today." That may be an argument for a reason one would feel sorry for him, but it certainly doesn't hold much weight in the "anachist cred" bucket.

 

The man  was not an anarchist, maybe a glorified "progressive" libral, but certiainly not anywhere close to the "anarchy".

Chuck, I think your standards are far far lower than they should be.

 

 

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 11:33 PM CST

I really don't care what you think. Anarchists need to get over the tiresome game of who is and isn't an anarchist. That's something for a place like WIkipedia where they argue about that endlessly. My "big tent" approach has always been to include more people in the circle of anarchism. Anarchism is not some kind of exclusive club. If an intellectual like Zinn, who had eveything to lose by idenitifying as an anarchist, called himself an anarchist and celebrated anarchists in his writing and speeches, then that makes him an anarchist in my book.

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: strangers on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 12:16 AM CST

hear hear. I'm sick of this puritanical nonsense.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Al Ligator on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 10:31 PM CST

Look, he was probably a nice swell guy & all, I have lots of friends who don't share my views, whatever.

But when people are aware of anarchist resistance, of the lively international movement, as we take up more jailspace, as we are met with ridicule, slander & repression, the last thing we need is someone who "identitfies as an anarchist" to spit on the idea of anti-authoritarian self-organization, autonomy, decentralization & all these awesome shit we fight for ESPECIALLY when he had the opportunity & visibility to speak of these apparantly 'dangerous' ideals.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjGlDMri1kU

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 11:38 PM CST

The last thing "we" need are people whose priorities consist of denigrating and excluding somebody with the intellect to understand what anarchism is about and who had the guts to identify as an anarchist.

You know, I'm very hardcore against voting, but I'm not going to write the many anarchists who vote out of the anarchist tent. You know, there are more important things to be concerned about. And most normal people can't even understand why anarchists are opposed to voting.

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: MagonistaRevolt on Monday, February 08 2010 @ 01:03 AM CST

>sigh<

that video is totally embarassing.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Samsk on Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 10:51 PM CST

It's sad because we've lost a man who's contributed so much, shaping so many of us in the process. It's also scary because of the daunting probability that there might might not be others like him in the future. He was unique in the best ways possible, making the loss of such uniqueness that much more devestating. I'm optimistic, though, that  the power of his hard work will ensure the perserverance of his legacy.

Let's not bicker about whether or not he was an anarchist. That isn't what this is about. This is about the death of an exceptional man. He will be forever missed and appreciated.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Makhno on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 05:21 AM CST

Tell me something, Chuck0 - when Ralph Nader dies, are you going to call him an "anarchist", too?  Why not?  I'm sure your big tent can accomodate him, as well.  You're really not being respectful of Zinn's legacy by insisting that he was something he so obviously wasn't.  He was a tireless, inspirational leftist intellectual and activist, and should be honored as such.  Just because someone understands, or thinks they understand, anarchist ideas and shows some passing sympathy for them hardly makes them an anarchist. 

Think, for example, of the implications of Howard Zinn's (and Noam Chomsky's) support for John Kerry in 2004.  First, it shows that Zinn believed in the political system, in electoral, representative democracy; he wanted to reform it through grassroots activism, but he believed in it, and had no desire to abolish that system.  Secondly, the fact that he and Chomsky threw their support before that contemptible war-monger and tool of the corporate interests, John Kerry, rather than Ralph Nader shows a cynical, pragmatic attitude about electoral politics that is not even progressive, let alone anarchist.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: mickeyz on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 08:30 AM CST

That's it, Chuck. This proves it. You finally need to develop a blood test and ID card and an international data base to keep track of the real anarchists before the purity police get really mad at you and do something truly drastic like create a Twitter account to denounce you once and for all.

Maybe you can borrow a full body scanner from TSA to help weed out the fakes. You wouldn't want the esteemed name of anarchy to be besmirched, would you?

Then, once you know exactly who is and isn't an anarchist, the revolution can finally begin. That's how it works, right?

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 11:13 AM CST

Well, I do appreciate the fact that Makhno is being a consistent critic of anarchists (and others) who defend and advocate partitipation in electoral politics. I've always thought that the anarchist case against voting is one of the best ways we can shift paradigms of people disenchanted with the political system. Now is the perfect time for anarchists to be more vocal against voting, because President Obama has clearly met the predictions of those of us who said he wouldn't be a change from business as usual. If the Daily Show is ragging on Obama for not being different, then anarchists can afford to be more vocal against voting.

As for arguments about who is and isn't an anarchist, I'm tired of that. Most normal people can't understand the difference between different flavors of anarchists, if they even understand what an anarchist really believes.

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Makhno on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 09:02 AM CST

I would direct people's attention to Zinn's article, Kerry Needs the Courage to Walk Away From IraqHere he pleads, just two months before the election in 2004, for John Kerry to reverse his militarist platform and take a firm anti-war stance so that he can win the Presidency.  Note that he announced his support for Kerry while he still promised to escalate the Iraq War, naively believing that Kerry might be persuaded to change his stance.  It is not disrespectful of Zinn to discuss his ideological weaknesses as well as his strengths, and his support for Kerry (as opposed to Ralph Nader, who was already an anti-war candidate) shows a serious delusion about political realities, as well as a lack of commitment to his own progressive ideals when election time came around and the chips were down.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: N1h1l on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 09:33 AM CST

If we're going to start throwing out anarchists on the basis of an ideological litmus test, then we can start with Proudhon (a politician) and then move on to Bakunin (a would be "invisible" tyrant) and Kropotkin (a war monger). Hell, with contradictions like these, maybe you'd prefer to just throw out anarchism itself!

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: smokestack on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 11:05 AM CST

LONG LIVE HOWARD ZINN!

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lets build resistance worth romantics.
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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Makhno on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 12:26 PM CST

The piece by Zinn, A Little Disquisition on Big Government, helps to clarify his political beliefs.  At the end of that article, he says the following:

So let's not hesitate to say: we want the government, responding to the Lincolnian definition of democracy, to organize, with the efficiency that it ran the G.I. Bill, that it runs Social Security and Medicare, a system that gives free medical care to everyone and pays for it out of a reformed tax system which is truly progressive. In short, we want everyone to be in the position of U.S. Senators, and members of the armed forces-beneficiaries of big, benevolent government.

"Big government" in itself is hardly the issue. That is here to stay. The only question is: whom will it serve?

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: sweet tea on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 02:32 PM CST

Chuck, i gotta say, i think youre pretty clearly incorrect about this, as peoples' comments and citations here already confirm: Zinn obviously was not an anarchist. On that note, by the way, he also wrote a play about Marx, called Marx in Soho. OF course,  he wasnt a marxist either; though probably his politics mimic Marx's later years more than they would come to resemble any kind of anti statist position worthy of the term anarchist.

I dont think thats really the point of this story, though its sadly predictable that this comment thread devolved in that direction.

The Peoples History book was instrumental in my thinking and actions when I was 15, 16, etc, and i owe a huge debt of gratitude to Zinn for that. More importantly, even though he was an anarchist by any stretch of the imagination politically, when i met him and saw him speak, i was struck by the fact that the man had tremendous humility, integrity, and a great sense of humor to boot. His positions on violence and the State are things anarchists would be wise to avoid, but his character traits and his stick-to-it-ness (i mean, 87 and hes hitting the picket lines) are something id like to see a lot, lot more out of both myself and my comrades.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 02:56 PM CST

It's near impossible for me to be "incorrect" on this, since this is clearly a contentious issue among some anarchists. I'll bet that if you polled anarchists, you'd find that they are split 50/50 when it comes to calling Zinn an anarchist. I think that most of the anarchists who agree with me will be those who are laid back about defining who is and isn't an anarchist. It's just not that important in the bigger scheme of things. If Zinn self-identified as an anarchist, then I see him clearly as being in the tent of anarchism. Maybe he's in the front entrance of the tent, talking to Noam Chomsky.

I've never been one who is interested in defining people into and out of anarchism. I think that anarchism would be very irrelevant if it was reduced to a small group of people who match a narrow litmus test of political ideas. I've always been about including as many people as possible into the anarchist current, including left libertarians and anti-authoritarians. Of course, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to criticize other anarchists for advocating practices such as voting. I also want to point out the anarchists who have pointed out the natural anarchists and libertarians in our society, that multitide of people who agree with anarchist ideas, but who don't wear the label.

Otherwise, I think that all of us appreciate Howard Zinn and his writings, lectures and activism.

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: corporatecrimina on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 02:35 PM CST

If you listen to Heroes and Martyrs, the CD where Zinn gives a speech about Sacco & Vanzetti and another one about Emma Goldman, he identifies himself as an anarchist.  If I remember correctly, it's during a story where some academic asked him "what he was" and he said, "Well, if I have to be something, I guess I'm an anarchist" or something like that.  I've always considered that to be representative of his attitude about anarchism.  He wass sympathetic towards it and occassionally he claimed it as his poltiical identity, but that it really wasn't that important to him.  As a result, it makes sense that he would sometimes take positions that are inconsistent with anarchism. 

I'm all about challenging people (both within the anarchist community and outside of it) and pushing them to take more consistantly rational, radical positions.  What I don't understand is this common impulse among anarchists to draw lines about who can or cannot call themselves an anarchist.  Anarchism is already such a marginalized political position, I just don't get why we as anarchists would want to further marginalize ourselves by continually trying to kick each other out of The Anarchy Club.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: sweet tea on Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 02:58 PM CST

Because thats usually what irrelevant, small social groups like to do. It makes them feel relevant.

That being said, i do actually think its worthwhile to clarify what anarchists believe, to whatever extent thats possible. For example, chuck laments the inability of many people to even identify what anarchism is, outside of its own circles. But labeling Zinn, or more accurately, his beliefs, anarchist, really merely confuses the matter. If someone who believes in big government solutions to social problems is an anarchist, who advocates voting (actively), if those beliefs and positions are "anarchist," well then the word really is pretty damn meaningless.

Zinn was also a person whose commentary about historical incidents remained poignant but whose comments on contemporary events in which radicals were involved became increasingly out of sync with the values and tactics of those social movements. Look at his comments on the property destruction and streetfighting during the anti-globe era, for one of many examples. His support for Kerry is another one mentioned in this thread is another one.

My personal sense is that, from reading his writings and hearing him speak about the issue, that Zinn more than anything identified with the courage and rejection of compromise symbolized by anarchists throughout history, much more so than any specific doctrine or tendency within that tradition. From reading him, i dont think he was a particularly ideological thinker at all; he would write very favorably of many diverse kinds of thinkers and actors, with little focus or even awareness of the philosophical contradictions sometimes playing out before him on the historical stage. At the end of the day, im not convinced that Zinn cared much about theory as such at all. To be able to write and consider the merits of different kinds of action and thought is a merit worth having, particularly a historian. The ability to distinguish between various goals, along with what is likely to acheive them vs. that which is naive or hopeless, is also a merit worth having, more so for the practicing philsopher or revolutionary.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: ScavengerType on Saturday, February 06 2010 @ 04:54 AM CST

So your all in favor of "diversity of tactics" when it means smashing windows, but when it's voting or trying to reform the system for a badly needed change that will help millions of hard up people that's not cool?

That's not anarchism, that's being a tool.

I don't care if you label me or Zinn anarchists for recommending voting, this guy was campaigning for civil rights when it was only white people who were allowed to use the word nigger. I find it laughable that some people here even have the gall to go on about how he "wasn't an anarchist" for such trivial reasons after he fought his entire life for the rights of the poor, working-class and otherwise excluded from society.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, February 06 2010 @ 06:34 AM CST

I'll point out again that "diversity of tactics" is something that we developed for summit protests so different groups could protests on the streets and cooperate on some level without having to waste everybody's time with endless discussions about tactics. For some reason, people have uncritically brought this idea into the broader realm of radical politics and turned it into a belief in "anything goes" politics and practice. I think that people go overboard when it comes to criticizing what other radicals do, but I myself am going to criticize other anarchists who advocate practices like voting. But I'm not going to be other anarchists who want to take the anarchist label away from people who participate in such activities.

Chuck0

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: ScavengerType on Sunday, February 07 2010 @ 07:21 AM CST

I think that perspective is the only difference between what you said and what I said.

The difference is that in the face of massive protests and rablerousing against the Iraq war GWB had still persued his agenda with regard to it. While Kerry had stated to be for the war he would have possibly been more open to change under the entire weight of protest that ensued under the bush administration. In fact the arguement is (from zinn on his last aired speeking before he died) that too many people have been passive with respect to achieving the various promices that wouldn't be explicitly anarchist but would help many people in poverty/warzones/earth.

By not voting, you are no closer to the world you espouse to wish for and you have not helped those you ought to be in solidarity with.

I am worried that too many anarchists are in a race to get to the anarchy that they invision that they throw the baby out with the bathwater by not looking at some of the easy victories in the right direction can be made. I wish that the US government would crumble and an anarchistic structure would take it's place tommorow as well, but I am realistic.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: lawrence on Saturday, February 06 2010 @ 08:38 PM CST

Seriously, aren't there any criteria to use to determine if someone is a decent anarchist? Notice I do not say "an anarchist" -- such a vague concept, referring to a vague political philosophy, is simply too fluid to be able to mark a firm boundary. There are part-time anarchists, occasional anarchists, professional anarchists, full-time anarchists, principled anarchists, reluctant anarchists, opportunistic anarchists (often overlapping the the part-timers and occasionals), in-denial anarchists, accidental anarchists, and crappy anarchists.

Zinn's PHUS was no doubt an important work; his tireless public activism, and visible presence as part of America's liberal-leftist conscience need to be acknowledged. But he is no hero for anarchy.

His uneasy position on electoral politics, his deluded ideas on how little government policies are influenced by public protest, and his latter-day support for the RCP front group "World Can't Wait" make his principled full-time adherence to some kind of anarchism questionable at best. These positions and analyses must be open to anarchist critique. Just because someone of Zinn's stature in the Left intellectual realm is secure doesn't mean that he should not be challenged on issues that are at the core of anarchist beliefs.

The argument that perhaps 50% of all anarchists everywhere in the world would agree that Zinn is an anarchist means nothing, especially considering the low level of knowledge of anarchist history and tradition among 100% of all anarchists.

Zinn, for all his half-hearted confessions of being an anarchist, was a part-time anarchist at best. When he was promoting Kerry in 2004 he was no kind of recognizable anarchist. When he flirted with the Maoists he was a crap anarchist.

Striving for consistency is a noble goal, but trying to survive in a cultural context that is implacably hostile to anarchist ideas and practices makes that nearly impossible. The point is to fight the battles we are pretty sure we can win, to draw our own lines we won't cross, and not to fling around moral condemnations of those self-described anarchists who don't use the same criteria as we use.

Makhno's line in the sand is electoral politics, a time-honored anarchist line wherever voting is not compulsory; the weight of world history is on Makhno's side. For ChuckO, that's not the right line, in keeping with the American idealism about representative democracy; the weight of American anarchist history is unfortunately on ChuckO's side. Regardless, the "big tent" approach is too welcoming of spokespeople who are woefully ignorant of anarchist ideas, anarchist history, and anarchist practice.

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Sunday, February 07 2010 @ 12:12 AM CST

I've long been a consistent critic of anarchists who advocate voting, as many of the readers of this site know, so I don't understand the point you are making about my political beliefs.

I've also said numerous times that I consider Zinn to be an outlier anarchist. That implies that Zinn's status as anarchist is questionable, since he obviously embraced several different and contradictory political belief systems. I just have little time for anarchists who are puritanical about who is and isn't an anarchist. My preference is to welcome anybody who wants to identify as an anarchist and who has some basic understandings of what anarchism means.

My "big tent" approach to anarchism pertains to how this site operates. My own personal political beliefs are more narrow and I have no interest in pushing "big tent anarchism" as an ideology, or a tendency within the anarchist movement. If anybody calls me a "big tent anarchist," I'll tell them that they are full of shit, because that doesn't describe my actual political beliefs.

Chuck0

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: lawrence on Sunday, February 07 2010 @ 01:08 AM CST

I for one am really happy that you have clarified your position is such a concise manner. Thanks for doing that. As a semi-infrequent lurker and poster here, I have been confused by your concept of the big tent. Now it makes sense.

How would you define an "outlier anarchist"? Might it be similar to my "part-time" or "reluctant" or "accidental" (or a mushing of those)?

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Sunday, February 07 2010 @ 01:49 AM CST

As you know, Lawrence, anarchists have this long history of identifying other people as anarchists, especially famous people. This is understandable, given that anarchism has long been a marginal political movement and people who identify as anarchists want to include people who might demonstrate an affinity with the ideas of anarchism and/or left libertarianism. There are also people such as myself, who are skeptical about political labels and rigid ideological divisions, so we gravitate towards a looser definition of "anarchist." I also think that the common anarchist criticism of rigid ideological labeling pushes anarchists towards being open-minded about who is and isn't an anarchist.

One of the problems we have in identifying some people as anarchists is that the stigma associated with anarchism prevents people, especially prominent folks, from openly identifying as anarchists. Being an anarchist still has more negatives associated with it than being identified as gay, queer or homosexual. If you identify as an anarchist, especially with the Internet being there, is that you will suffer the consequences of using that label.

Perhaps there is a difference between outlier anarchists whose statements about politics represent one foot in anarchism and one in something else, such as Howard Zinn, and other people suspected of being anarchists, such as science fiction author Ursula Le Guin or the late comedian, George Carlin. I think Noam Chomsky can be called an outlier anarchist too, even though he's called himself an anarchist and written on the topic. But as Makhno and you point out, he's clearly advocated supporting liberal politicians in elections. Le Guin has identified herself publicly as an anarchist and her writing is very libertarian, but is she an anarchist, an outlier anarchist or an "adopted" anarchist? George Carlin's politics are harder to parse. He was a subscriber to Anarchy magazine for many years and his comedy in the last 20 years of his life could be described as very "anarchist" and libertarian. But perhaps he's just a "suspected" or "adopted" anarchist.

As much as I abhor and adovate against voting, I don't think that voting should disqualify somebody as being an anarchist. Most anarchists chose to do things to accomodate themselves to the system or to the mores of their community and social circles. My opposition to voting is something that I've always toned down around non-anarchist friends.

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: Admin on Sunday, February 07 2010 @ 01:55 AM CST

Lawrence: Another concept that has been kicked around anarchist circles that is related to "outlier" anarchists is the one that there are "natural" anarchists. This idea has several facets. One is that there are lots of people out there who identify and agree with libertarian/anarchist ideas, but don't necessarily call themselves anarchists or libertarians. The other facet is the argument that humans have natural libertarian and anti-statist inclinations, that humans naturally gravitate towards freedom. Maybe this describes people who are further removed from outlier anarchists. Perhaps we can call these people "Oort Cloud" anarchists after the asteroids and comets that orbit beyond our solar system.

;-)

Chuck

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Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87
Authored by: MagonistaRevolt on Sunday, February 07 2010 @ 11:25 PM CST

I am so happy that Howard Zinn did the incredibly important work that he did. A People's History of the United States was one of the most influential texts on my life. His work with the civil rights movement was an inspiration, and he was one of the best allies I ever knew of, a John Brown in his own, quiet way. Hearing him speak multiple times, I was always comforted and renewed. He has touched so many lives that it is truly difficult to keep track of how influential he was on the world, but especially on the United States.

I am sad to see him go. I think things had really been picking up for him recently, with the Zinn Education project, the New Press' People's History series, Voices of a People's History tours, teaching versions of A People's History, and the History Channel documentary inspired by his work. I am heartened to know that all of these wonderful projects will continue without him, due to the hard work of dozens and dozens of people committed to ideals they shared with him.

Whether or not he was an anarchist is, as I see it, a question of whether or not "we" align ourselves with him. I'm not sure that it matters, because Howard Zinn has constantly aligned himself with us (the us that includes the working class and the poor, the non-white oppressed within the United States, the women and queers, the politically radical, all who organized from below and to the left towards a collective liberation). Maybe he doesn't serve a strict anarchist ideology. But anarchists should strive to be like the best of Howard Zinn. I attribute a lot of the depth of my radicalism to Howard Zinn's work, and so if he is on one side of a line in the sand, you'll find me there too. Not that he didn't do some tiny, stupid things (say, advocating voting for John Kerry), but that the wonderful huge things he did far outweigh the tiny stupid things. If Zinn is an anarchist by his own definition, then I am proud to be an anarchist as well.

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