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Eighty eight years of the day Trotsky directed the suppression of the anarchist uprising in Krondstadt, a group of bandits scaled the walls of his former house in Mexico City during the late hours at night. We broke the lock on his mausoleum and we expropriate the content inside it: a silver large vase that bears the inscription of his name, wrapped in the red scarf that he carried around the neck, containing the ashes of the corpse inside. We replace with care the lock in the monument with a reproduction that was similar in the appearance and escaped into the night.

Repost of english translation:

Eighty eight years of the day Trotsky directed the suppression of the anarchist uprising in Krondstadt, a group of bandits scaled the walls of his former house in Mexico City during the late hours at night. We broke the lock on his mausoleum and we expropriate the content inside it: a silver large vase that bears the inscription of his name, wrapped in the red scarf that he carried around the neck, containing the ashes of the corpse inside. We replace with care the lock in the monument with a reproduction that was similar in the appearance and escaped into the night.

The vase along with its content then was taken far away to a place where the vase was discarded and the content (a combination of ash and bone) were baked in cookies. These cookies then were sent, along with a letter that explains our actions, to newspapers, to organizations of Trotskyists, and to the groups of anarchist around the world.

While we will not repeat everything of our full letter, briefly we propose to give new light to the idea that history does not end with the past and still a small group of bandits can give new direction to fights thought long to be frozen in the time. We want to expand the fight to include dead objects of the past that hold hostage us in the present.

Nevertheless, if Trotsky is right about the history, we do not determine anything, but we are only characters whose actions were written in the revolution of October. As was his destiny, coincidentally, to come to be a cookie.

The ones that receive these cookies have a decision. Through time, the act to consume enemies have been seen as a way to absorb their powers. On the other hand, consuming the body and the blood of the dead person as a sacrament have also been a form of worship. We would want to indicate that, at any rate, the result is always shit.

For those a little delicate, we have tried them, and although they be a little sandy, they are delicious. The green dots, by the way, they are just candies.

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Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: JBizzle on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 06:56 PM CDT
haha I read this in Roadkill. I thought it was a joke. NAW
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: beret on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:03 PM CDT
Wait, is this actually f'real? Regardless, this is fucking awesome.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: icecreamtrepan on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:12 PM CDT
Is anyone else disturbed by this?

I don't think desecrating a corpse is excusable and I think it does more to harm our movement by feeding the corporate media with an easy way to paint anarchists as a marginal fringe group made of whackos and psychopaths that make and eat cookies out of the remains of a dead man.

To the authors: please explain how Trotsky's ashes are a "dead objects of the past that hold hostage us in the present." As far as I am aware, Trotsky is not treated the way Lenin's body is treated in a state-sponsored spectacle and I would think that there are far better actions anarchists could be doing rather than baking cookies out of the remains of a human being.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: xdavex on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:36 PM CDT
"I don't think desecrating a corpse is excusable"
on what grounds?

if we act with concern to how the corporate media will paint anarchists, then we are really sad, and besides, they already paint us as a whacko fringe group.


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=all my heroes don't give a fuck if they're anyone's hero=
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: icecreamtrepan on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:47 PM CDT
They made cookies out of a dead body. I don't think I need to explain my reasoning further.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: xdavex on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 12:51 AM CDT
they made cookies from the ASHES of a dead body.
what do you think meat is? people eat that gross shit all the time

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=all my heroes don't give a fuck if they're anyone's hero=
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: ebr on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 04:56 AM CDT
You like, *really* don't think there's a difference between eating a dead cow and eating 100 year old human remains? Really? Or do you just, like, say that?
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: xdavex on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 11:12 AM CDT
dear ebr,

nope, not at all. in fact, most dead cows now-a-days suffer real bad in factory farms and probably never had intentions on hurting others.

trostky, and most communists for that matter, are infinitely more worthy of eating.

p.s. get over it. where was your outrage when.....

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=all my heroes don't give a fuck if they're anyone's hero=
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 11:02 PM CDT
Just because the media demonizes you doesn't mean you should offer them free shots. You don't go make posters of you (photoshopped) eating babies, and issue it to the corporate media. That would be stupid. You wouldn't photograph yourself doing cladestined acts and then give them to the media. Don't give them bullets to fire at you, dipshit!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: rechelon on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 11:39 PM CDT
"I don't think desecrating a corpse is excusable"

Really? Like, seriously? And you say this sort of thing aloud? You find irrational idolatry of meaningless, inert hunks of matter to be anything less than an embarrassment? WTF.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: notverycreative on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 03:38 AM CDT
As does most of the rest of the world, the people who we should be trying to inspire and build relationships (and a movement) with...
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: rechelon on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 05:17 AM CDT
There's a huge difference between "inexcusable" and inopportune.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: flagbat on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 07:12 PM CDT
Aside from dust worship, what other irrational behaviors and beliefs should "the movement" be gentle with to avoid alienating potential recruits?








Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 12:09 AM CDT
It's about not alienating those few groups we find we can together with.

As far as desecration goes, it's not acceptable by socio-cultural standards. We can pretend we don't abide by those, but that gets us nowhere. It's like going to Afghanistan and shouting at people in English, and complaining they don't understand your amazing revolutionary slogans.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Brennus on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 03:36 AM CDT
Not acceptable by american socio-cultural standards. Mexicans have a much closer relationship to their dead than we do. Not sayin' they eat people all the time, but it's different to them than it is to us. Something to think about. Check your culture.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 06:28 PM CDT
Check my culture? In what culture is it okay to steal something from a historical museum, deface it, and then make it so it can never be recovered again?

Also, i'm not so interested in the morality of the act - i couldn't care less. I am concerned with the strategical counter-productivity of the act, as it makes it more difficult for some Leftists to be willing to work with others. We would not like it if Trotskyists desecrated the Haymarket Monument, and we don't find them doing that. Why? Because they tend to have a higher level of maturity than the adventurist dumbshits that are attracted to "anti-mass" anarchism. Good job building a united front.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 08:59 PM CDT
I dont think anarchists are that keen on building a "united front" with troskyists.

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Omnia sunt Communia!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Vladamiraaron on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:18 PM CDT
God I hope this is true! This is fucking hillarious.

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J Ho Soli!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Admin on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:26 PM CDT
I talked to a U.S. anarchist the other day who claims to have gotten some of these cookies in the mail.

Don't know if this story is true or not, but I'll bet that if they were really stolen, the mausoleum won't admit to the theft.

Chuck
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Vladamiraaron on Monday, April 13 2009 @ 08:29 PM CDT
Why didn't KC get any Trotsky Treats?!! You need to get the bottom of this!

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J Ho Soli!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: ebr on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 04:49 AM CDT
This is really fucked up.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: rechelon on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 05:23 AM CDT
Truly an inspired shenanigan. I long for this to be confirmed, as it will make our interactions with communists from now on all the more delicious.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Brennus on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 05:31 AM CDT
This is fucking hilarious.

It didn't hurt anyone, except maybe the buttholes of trotskyists, and who gives a fuck about them.

It also serves the purpose of a talking point, reminding us that statist communists are fucking evil and will always endeavor to fuck us (and everyone) over again and again and again, and should not be tolerated any more than Nazi scum. Really.

This is funny. Get over it.

Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: nostalgia on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 06:55 AM CDT
"I would think that there are far better actions anarchists could be doing rather than baking cookies out of the remains of a human being."

Like baking cakes out of the remains of a human being.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: CaseyFord on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 04:00 PM CDT
The cake is a lie....
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: flagbat on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 10:25 AM CDT
Wow, this one really has the marketing/public relations anarchist tendency all sad.
Once I found a picture where vegetation wasn't obscuring the monument, it would appear that it would require a jackhammer to empty that ashtray. I hope I'm wrong.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: adidas on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 12:36 PM CDT
"I would think that there are far better actions anarchists could be doing rather than baking cookies out of the remains of a human being."

Naw, you're right. We could be holding a jammy jam bikey bikey spandex dance party and be claiming its revolutionary.

Just sayin.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: icecreamtrepan on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 01:08 PM CDT
"As does most of the rest of the world, the people who we should be trying to inspire and build relationships (and a movement) with.."

Exactly. Why does it seem like there's a running theme within the anarchist movement that seems to (unknowingly or not) try to alienate people? For me, I am not an anarchist because I hate people, I am an anarchist because I have faith in people. Personally, I want to see our movement grow so that Greece isn't an isolated incident.

Whatever your feelings on this matter, does anyone else think time would possibly be better spent building relationships that we need in order for the movement to grow?
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: flagbat on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 01:51 PM CDT
If events like the uprising in Greece occur within the national borders where you live, chances are you'd be all weeping and gnashing your teeth and depressed and cutting yourself over that, too.
Consumer capitalism alienates people much more thoroughly than any anarchist could. All the would-be movement builders seem to omit the inconvenient fact that times times and places when anarchism enjoyed enough popularity to fit their definition of a "movement", were days chock full of destruction.
I'd recommend getting together with some of the other positive, crossing-guard types and start a facebook group or marketing co-operative.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: beret on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 02:59 PM CDT
While most of the time I would agree with you, it's not like anyone is really going to be pissed off except history nerds (Who I can sympathize with) and commie fucks. (Who I can't) It's not like the public at large is terribly devoted to Trotsky or his remains.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Just Me on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 11:38 PM CDT
I agree with Beret on this one. While I am definitely more concerned than most other anarchists about image and media representation because I too think that the whole point of our movement is to get the masses on our side, I too think this particular action isn't going to be known or cared about by more than a select group of people. I don't think that means we can't ever be radical or do extreme things, but I do think there needs to be a lot more thought as to what we do and how we portray our actions to others (the whole RCP bookfair thing being a perfect example--while I don't have any serious problems with the action, I think the communique was far more alienating than the action was and shouldn't have been released like that). I also agree with the people who say there are more productive things to do, but there are also less productive things to do, and this is pretty funny. At least they didn't get caught, otherwise it would have been a shame. Instead it's just a possibly tasty and funny joke that at the same time might raise awareness among a few people about the problems with state socialists.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: nostalgia on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 02:49 PM CDT
"Why does it seem like there's a running theme within the anarchist movement that seems to (unknowingly or not) try to alienate people"

Like you never ate cookies with somebody's ashes in them before. See, I hate this pot calling the kettle black shit.

In an important side note, according to Wikipedia a portion of Tupac's ashes were rolled into a blunt and smoked by members of the Outlawz. I just thought that was an important fact for the revolutionary anarchist movement.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: flagbat on Tuesday, April 14 2009 @ 04:03 PM CDT
Plus, in the realm of processed food, ashes are about as wholesome as it gets.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: photos on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 12:48 AM CDT
Mexico City might have just taken the lead.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Brennus on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 03:34 AM CDT
Nah. No might've about it. Ciudad Michoacan for the win.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Al Ligator on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 01:30 AM CDT
Really, 28 comments so far and no ones said it?
I guess I get to be the one to say it then.

{grins}

Looks like SOMEBODIES got a corpse in their mouth!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Al Ligator on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 01:31 AM CDT
Also, if served at a Food Not Bombs it may redeem the activity (of FNB) a little.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: freeboot on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 04:22 AM CDT
right...cause feeding people is irredeemable
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: JackR on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 01:48 AM CDT
Did they serve them on little icepicks?
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Wargasm on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 02:28 AM CDT
Now that's a good one!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: freeboot on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 04:21 AM CDT
THIS IS FUCKING GRRRREAT! i just peed a little!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: afxgrin on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 09:06 AM CDT
mmmm... Trotskits.

What would be required to make one of these cookies appear in Canada?
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: JackR on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 10:57 AM CDT
Who wants BUTTERTROTS cookies!

Putting the man in gingerbread man,

BisTROTSKY (instead of Biscotti har har har)

Does someone have a good cookie monster joke?



Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: basil on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 01:04 PM CDT
I'm incredibly humbled by such a filthy gesture. Too good.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Berkman on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 04:28 PM CDT

This is a little bit funny and extremely gross.
I would want to retaliate
Authored by: Markin on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 08:57 PM CDT
As a Trotskyist, I was outraged by this juvenile act of vandalism. I wanted to retaliate in kind, so I tried to think of a suitable target: a deceased anarchist who led a successful workers revolution against capitalism... I'm stumped. Any suggestions, anarchists?
I would want to retaliate
Authored by: basil on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 09:08 PM CDT
Well if by 'workers revolution' you mean creating a new and more powerful state-form, then of course you can't think of any anarchists who've done that.
I would want to retaliate
Authored by: Markin on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 09:14 PM CDT
Oh, no, I will bake cookies out of the remains of any anarchist who led any sort of revolution that abolished capitalism. The problem is I can't think of a single one! Please help me!
I would want to retaliate
Authored by: frank nowarcyck on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 09:41 PM CDT
wait? trotsky was involved in a revolution that abolished capitalism? well shit! i wish you would have told me that before i paid my rent this month. or before the soviet union used a shit ton of their (state capitalism) money to buy bombs that could blow up the world several times over.

i'm just sayin' it would have been nice to know back then...
I would want to retaliate
Authored by: flagbat on Saturday, April 18 2009 @ 09:52 AM CDT
Waah. The trots the are upset they were used for cookies and not made into newspaper ink.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 15 2009 @ 11:14 PM CDT
What did this seek to accomplish? The alienation of those allies of ours from the POUM? What sort of stupid sectarian dipshits carried this out!?

It's the same bit as APOC, dividing up the Left further to prove to themselves how "radical" or "R-R-RRRREV-olutionary" they are!

Leave people after death alone.

Also, read Paul Avrich's Kronstadt, 1921. I don't see any way you can see it as a "great effort".

On this note, Leon Trotsky was leaps and bounds more progressive on women's issues, than Nestor Makhno. Also, remember, the Ukraine had more political prisoners/capita and more free speech restrictions under Makhnovist control, than Russia under Lenin and Trotsky ever did. Should trots go defacing Makhno's corpse? You don't see that, because they aren't so immature and ask themselves, "Will this be productive? What will this do? Will this bring us closer to accomplishing our goals?"

I am an anarchist, but i am frustrated by the fact that anarchists seem to be the only dumbfucks interested in doing this sort of stupid shit! Stop trying to look for action and adventurism to convince yourself you are "doing something". I realize meetings with alliance and solidarity organizations are not "exciting" and, to be blunt, boring; but it needs done. However, it always seems that no anarchists are willing to go to these meetings to build solidarity with these other organizations; yet, they want to complain about every other Left group.

Go fuck yourselves while convincing yourselves it makes you more "R-R-R-RRRREV-lutionary". It would be less counter-productive than alienating us from the groups that are ideologically closest to anarchists.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: blackhand on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 12:00 AM CDT
Are you saying simply stealing the ashes NOT making them into delicious treats to share across the globe would have been more revolutionary than this?

Wait, wait. Did you just say POUM? Do they have internet in the decade you're living in?

Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 12:07 AM CDT
POUM? Yes. I'm not sure if you read the article, but it claims solidarity with Krondstadt (1921). So, if you're asking about relevance of time, mine is more relevant than these so-called "revolutionaries" who are carrying out your pornographically adventurous wildest dreams.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: blunt-o-matic on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 02:06 AM CDT
Well maybe, just maybe, some of us don't have a "plan" for the "revolution." Maybe some of us want to quit our jobs and not ever have to be a worker ever again. I for one don't want a mass movement. Don't want mass anything for that matter. Maybe some of us want to have fun and fuck shit up. Wait, wait, I know what your thinking, white privilege pointless adventurism. Well, speaking for myself I'd rather be having an unplanned adventure then worry about how the media is going to portray anarchists. Did I just say that, how the media is going to portray anarchists?

Point being, I ain't persay against your opinion, but cant an anarchist have a little fun while living in this fucked up hypertechno babylon death cult called "civilization." Or maybe we just need to be more civilized.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 02:45 AM CDT
If you're not in it to win, then, go to the goddam beach! Enjoy yourself! Because you're not helping us end imperialism by alienating the masses of people WHO WILL BE NECESSARY TO RAISE THE SOCIAL COSTS TO END CAPITALISM!

If you're just "wanting to have fun," don't do it coalitions. Some of us have lives that are ruined by oppression, and some of us are well aware of the fact that for every bit of "fun" you're having, that means i have to work 10x harder. And in a future society, if you don't want to work, i hope the rest of us cut you fucking off from the food supply and leave you secluded on the goddam beach, where you've been all day while we're at work.

Again, if you want to have fun, go to the fucking beach. If you're in it to win a revolution, end imperialism, sexism, racism, capitalism, and other oppressions, then let's get serious and work together. If you're not interested in getting the job done, go grab an of your favorite issue of Anarchy! and go masturbate to riot porn on the beach - knock yourself out doing that!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: blunt-o-matic on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 03:46 AM CDT
jeeez, touchy, eh? who the fuck cares about looking good in the eyes of the media anyways? you i guess.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: socraticpunk on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 04:24 AM CDT
Damn skippy. However, I agree with Chuck, Trot's are about the worst and most historically dissociated leftist group on the planet... Well, besides primies and po-mo's. I'm sure they'd have just as readily fucked over the CNT-FAI as much as the communists, if they had been given a chance.

"I don't want a mass anything? (not verbatim)" Do you think it's cool to not give a shit about people dying or having to live terrible lives? You're just proving that the post-left position is as selfish as the capitalist ideal itself, and I don't really see how it benefits anyone besides the suggested beach slackers... Likewise, it challenges nothing because doing otherwise requires, dare I say it, effort. The Nintendo generation has come home to roost, and unfortunately some of them want to play anarchist. It worries me that if a movement existed where we needed all the help we can get (oh wait, that's now), half the ranks would be fucking off enjoying themselves and those who do make the effort are caused to fail because of it. All because hedonism (yeah, that's right, post-modernists still hold ideologies, though they try to remove the terms) takes the front seat.

I'm not saying that a blue-print is needed (and is actually impossible), but suggesting that never being a "worker" again is a good thing is idiotic. What is work for in a post-rev society? Supporting each other. If we don't want to support each other, then how is that different from capitalists that only want to think of their own interests? Bourgeois Influences on Anarchism, by Luigi Fabbri is a good place to look to understand how these ideas emerge.

But who the fuck am I to criticize, I guess I'm silly for actually wanting to change things rather than let capitalism keep running its course... Silly me, but at least some people are trying...
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: socraticpunk on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 04:27 AM CDT
Damn skippy. However, I agree with Chuck, Trot's are about the worst and most historically dissociated leftist group on the planet... Well, besides primies and po-mo's. I'm sure they'd have just as readily fucked over the CNT-FAI as much as the communists, if they had been given a chance.

"I don't want a mass anything? (not verbatim)" Do you think it's cool to not give a shit about people dying or having to live terrible lives? You're just proving that the post-left position is as selfish as the capitalist ideal itself, and I don't really see how it benefits anyone besides the suggested beach slackers... Likewise, it challenges nothing because doing otherwise requires, dare I say it, effort. The Nintendo generation has come home to roost, and unfortunately some of them want to play anarchist. It worries me that if a movement existed where we needed all the help we can get (oh wait, that's now), half the ranks would be fucking off enjoying themselves and those who do make the effort are caused to fail because of it. All because hedonism (yeah, that's right, post-modernists still hold ideologies, though they try to remove the terms) takes the front seat.

I'm not saying that a blue-print is needed (and is actually impossible), but suggesting that never being a "worker" again is a good thing is idiotic. What is work for in a post-rev society? Supporting each other. If we don't want to support each other, then how is that different from capitalists that only want to think of their own interests? Bourgeois Influences on Anarchism, by Luigi Fabbri is a good place to look to understand how these ideas emerge.

But who the fuck am I to criticize, I guess I'm silly for actually wanting to change things rather than let capitalism keep running its course... Silly me, but at least some people are trying...
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: socraticpunk on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 04:32 AM CDT
Damn skippy. However, I agree with Chuck, Trot's are about the worst and most historically dissociated leftist group on the planet... Well, besides primies and po-mo's. I'm sure they'd have just as readily fucked over the CNT-FAI as much as the communists, if they had been given a chance.

"I don't want a mass anything? (not verbatim)" Do you think it's cool to not give a shit about people dying or having to live terrible lives? You're just proving that the post-left position is as selfish as the capitalist ideal itself, and I don't really see how it benefits anyone besides the suggested beach slackers... Likewise, it challenges nothing because doing otherwise requires, dare I say it, effort. The Nintendo generation has come home to roost, and unfortunately some of them want to play anarchist. It worries me that if a movement existed where we needed all the help we can get (oh wait, that's now), half the ranks would be fucking off enjoying themselves and those who do make the effort are caused to fail because of it. All because hedonism (yeah, that's right, post-modernists still hold ideologies, though they try to remove the terms) takes the front seat.

I'm not saying that a blue-print is needed (and is actually impossible), but suggesting that never being a "worker" again is a good thing is idiotic. What is work for in a post-rev society? Supporting each other. If we don't want to support each other, then how is that different from capitalists that only want to think of their own interests? Bourgeois Influences on Anarchism, by Luigi Fabbri is a good place to look to understand how these ideas emerge.

But who the fuck am I to criticize, I guess I'm silly for actually wanting to change things rather than let capitalism keep running its course... Silly me, but at least some people are trying...
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: socraticpunk on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 04:44 AM CDT
Sorry about the triple post, the net isn't playing nice at the moment.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: blunt-o-matic on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 01:34 PM CDT
""but suggesting that never being a "worker" again is a good thing is idiotic."" Well I'm an idiot! Fuck work! I'd rather garden, smoke weed, not have a job. or is that too petty-bourgeois for ya?!

anyways funny but gross
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: automatonsrevolt on Tuesday, April 28 2009 @ 05:02 AM CDT
"or is that too petty-bourgeois for ya?!"
nah i believe that would be lumpen pro
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: blunt-o-matic on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 01:37 PM CDT
"Do you think it's cool to not give a shit about people dying or having to live terrible lives?" Oh yea, fo sure, its..... COOL!!!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Admin on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 03:38 AM CDT
Andy Lucker = fake anarchist

I've been on this planet long enough to smell another effort by some Trot pretending to be an anarchist. No self-respecting anarchist would ever suggest that anarchists work with Trotskyists.

Chuck
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: MD on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 01:15 PM CDT
WTF?! An anarchist who defends the crushing of Kronstadt, defends Trosky as being "progressive", and makes up lies about Mahkno? You better be a troskyist troll or you must be the saddest anarchist ever.

Mildly amusing action. But i wouldnt wanna eat those cookies.

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Omnia sunt Communia!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: CaseyFord on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 04:09 PM CDT
heh, fuckin word.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 11:24 PM CDT
I actually usually call myself an anarchist, though, i work in a lot of coalitions with Trotskyists. There are very principled disagreements i have with them that primarily center around autonomy v. centralism. Good job with your red-baiting though, Chuck. I actually expected you to have your head above the water on this one.

I never defended the crushing of Krondstadt. Krondstadt was a tragedy. I suggested reading Paul Avrich's Krondstadt, 1921. Paul Avrich is an anarchist historian.

I made up nothing about Makhno. Actually, everything about his wife is available in Emma Goldman's My Disillusionment in Russia. The other i've read elsewhere; but actually, i do remember the Wikipedia articles on Free Ukraine being very enlightening and chalked full of good primary resources. Makhno is no hero. And in relation to women's issues, he was far more disgusting than Trotsky.

On working with Trots... If you seriously think they were just as likely to backstab the CNT-FAI, then i think that demonstrates your lack of knowledge about the systemic ideological differences between Trots and Stalinists. Trots opposed the popular front. The CNT had a wishy-washy position on popular fronts, which is why they later made the mistake of participating in the Stalinist-fascist one later into the Spanish Civil War. Again, every anarchist historian acknowledges that the CNT-FAI joining the popular front was a mistake, and that the Trots actually maintained a more libertarian and principled socialist position on this. So, you can accept this, or cry more with anti-intellectualism.

I find the level of maturity and genuine engagement on this website sad. Why is not having a job praised, while seriously building solidarity with other Leftists is shamed?

If you don't consider me an anarchist, that's fine. I'm involved with International Project for A Participatory Society, and locally in Autonomy Alliance. I participate in many coalitions, and usually find the only decent allies to resist popular frontism are some anarchists and some trots. We host a lot of events, and maintain respect for each other during our events. When you have mutual respect, you can share resources and build a stronger and more diverse bloc/front. We need to be building a united front of diverse fronts to confront capitalism, imperialism, etc., or we will lose.

For the most part, i think i'm done on this forum. I was turned onto infoshop by a friend of mine and have been reading it fairly consistently for about a month. I was pretty appalled by how childish some of the engagements were and wanted to try and call some anarcho-counter-cultural norms into question here. I actually expected it to go a bit further and was saddened to see it cut so short with red-baiting.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: MD on Saturday, April 18 2009 @ 01:21 PM CDT
So, you are going to keep toiling the leninist partyline (read: lies and slander) about Makhno, and yet keep claiming that you are an anarchist? Come on, who do you think you are fooling?

www.geocities.com#app15
(Where is anarcho when you need him?! ;) )

You also said that Kronstadt was not a "great effort"; thereby hinting the usual troskyist partyline that the crushing of Kronstadt was justified, yet tragic.

You are clearly not an anarchist. Your claim that we should appreciate Trotsky and thank him for his criticism of stalinism is frankly just embaressing. He led the way to Stalin. Everybody knows this.

You can criticize this action and the attitude behind it, but atleast do it from an honest perspective. Dont claim to be something you are not. Thats all im saying.

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Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: MD on Saturday, April 18 2009 @ 01:24 PM CDT
I see that you say that APOC was "exposed" as provocateurs in your article on zmag. Where is the evidence for this? Thats a pretty grave accusation.

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Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked into andy
Authored by: lioness on Friday, April 17 2009 @ 06:48 AM CDT
to answer your question: What did this seek to accomplish?
"to give new light to the idea that history does not end with the past and still a small group of bandits can give new direction to fights thought long to be frozen in the time. We want to expand the fight to include dead objects of the past that hold hostage us in the present."
"Stop trying to look for action and adventurism to convince yourself you are "doing something" "
i don't see anything very adventurous about cookies, but maybe i'm not looking hard enough? it also seems unfair to imply this group of bandits represent any and all anarchists, or adventurists. Furthermore, going back to what they say in this statement, it seems like it's not really about adventurism. It seems like it's meant to be thought/conversation provoking, challenging and funny. Considering this article got 66 comments and is showing up all over the place I think they accomplish their goal. Being offended by how they went about it is very valid. But attacking them and all anarchists as immature and saying Trotskyists are more mature seems, well, immature. It also seems like you kind of missed the point of the action, anyway... Also, I'm not sure I feel like this has to be an insult to Trotsky or Trotskyism.
"it always seems that no anarchists are willing to go to these meetings to build solidarity with these other organizations; yet, they want to complain about every other Left group."
yeah, groups all these don't build solidarity, they just complain!!
www.rhizomecollective.org
insidebooksproject.org
www.treasurecitythrift.org
www.ecology-action.org
www.commongroundrelief.org

i would think that your point about the divisiveness of this would be good, if your arguments weren't so divisive and accusatory in and of themselves.

"Go fuck yourselves while convincing yourselves it makes you more "R-R-R-RRRREV-lutionary". It would be less counter-productive than alienating us from the groups that are ideologically closest to anarchists"
I'm not sure if I see that Trotskyism is what's closest in ideology to anarchism. I mean, certainly some types of anarchism. I have to admit I don't know a lot about what modern day Trotsky organizations do. If they feed people, do literacy programs, provide free childcare and free schooling, hold workshops on challenging white/male/class privilege, teach self-sustainability, support communities in setting up community gardens, support marginalized groups in suing police departments in cases of police brutality and support safe spaces for people of color/women/trans people/queer folks/youth, then they are close to my political ideology and I would love to hear more about them.

I kind of don't know if i believe they really stole ashes and then made cookies with them... But I guess they're getting the same reaction either way.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: mokey on Thursday, April 16 2009 @ 08:36 PM CDT
someone should crumble one of them up, y'know, for our dead homies.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Zanzara on Friday, April 17 2009 @ 12:51 PM CDT
I am immensely pleased by this action. It's an important comment on historical narrative, the equivalent of a smashed plate-glass window or a vandalized statue.
It's also impossible to substantiate. The people that control the mausoleum will never admit this if it's true, and the pictures and anything but conclusive. If anything, the fact that it probably didn't happen makes me even happier with of the quality of this (in)action.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: nostalgia on Saturday, April 18 2009 @ 03:40 AM CDT
What trotskyists in the spanish revolution are you talking about? The POUM was not trotskyist, the majority of participants were anarchists (Homage to Catolonia) and the term "trotskyist" was used by the popular front as an epithet to describe all elements that dissented from their control (again stated by an actual participant of the revolution in Homage to Catalonia).

Even if the aspersions about Makhno were true, it wouldn't mean that trotsky should be respected. Like "this dude killed everyone, but that dude said 'ho', so the dude killing everyone is basically cool now".

Big ass watered down coalitions aren't going to do shit to end the dynamic of capitalism, they will either be repressed or recuperated. There is no party line that we need to get behind, we need to find people with whom we share tactical affinity and work together.

Raising social costs to stop capitalism? Are you serious? Superceding the dynamic of an economic system isn't as simple as trying to push those in power until they concede, we are struggling for a world they don't have the power to grant us.

Too often, would be anarchists glorify work with the same reverence as the sweatshop boss. Their desire to be exploited is disgusting. The protestant work ethic infects our tendency as much as it permeates a trade-school classroom.

The reverence for work is dead weight. More graverobbers and less corpses.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: flagbat on Saturday, April 18 2009 @ 09:30 AM CDT
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/21186

Mr. Lucker's article on said action at znet.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: GREGORYABUTLER on Sunday, April 19 2009 @ 01:50 PM CDT
Ok, besides the fact that Trotsky did have a family, many of his relatives still live in the Mexico City area and no concern was shown for their feelings, the fact is, this is a truly bizarre tactic.

Stealing his ashes and eating them - that's just out there!

If the objective was to make anarchists look like a bunch of sick maniacs - goal achieved!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: Dirty Hands on Sunday, April 19 2009 @ 07:39 PM CDT

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Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: rechelon on Sunday, April 19 2009 @ 10:22 PM CDT
Dudes, chill.

Repeat after me: THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS ACTION. THIS IS A SHENANIGAN TO LET OFF STEAM.

No one cares besides us and some rat-bastard commies. We're allowed to be juvenile every once in a while.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: femin(A)zi on Tuesday, April 28 2009 @ 01:34 AM CDT
i think we've found the origins of the swine flu!
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: automatonsrevolt on Tuesday, April 28 2009 @ 05:11 AM CDT
damn. wish i had thought of that one.
Trotsky's ashes stolen and baked in cookies
Authored by: automatonsrevolt on Tuesday, April 28 2009 @ 05:17 AM CDT
As a former trot turned anarchist I find this action and this thread highly amusing. I would have loved one of those cookies. Then I could literally defecate the trotsky out of me and have it gone from my system for good.