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CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization

The reports are coming in, and many participants are describing the G20 protests in Pittsburgh as a success. This is exciting news; the US anarchist movement hasn’t pulled off an unequivocally successful nationwide mobilization in half a decade or more. At the same time, success entails risks of its own: we may overlook the things we didn’t do well, take credit for things outside our actual influence, or fixate on attempting to repeat ourselves. Meanwhile the authorities, who often exaggerate our effectiveness to justify repressing us, appear to be understating the extent of anarchist damage and disruption in Pittsburgh, perhaps to downplay the possibility of militant anticapitalism regaining momentum.

This appraisal explores the triumphs and shortcomings of the G20 mobilization, in hopes that these lessons can be applied soon on a variety of other battlefields.

For a description of the context of the G20 and an account of the events of Thursday, September 24, read this. For a discussion of policing at the G20 and a report on the events of Friday evening, read this.

 

What Went Right in Pittsburgh

Whenever a mass mobilization goes well—that is, about once a decade—every established organization and ideological faction hastens to explain how this confirms their pet theories or tactical preferences. It should not be surprising, then, that as big-tent anarchists—“anarchists without adjectives”—our take is that the Pittsburgh G20 protests succeeded because the efforts, strategies, and strengths of a wide range of participants were integrated into a complementary whole. Things would not have gone nearly as well had any of the elements been missing.

This time, everyone got what they wanted. The fundamental success in Pittsburgh was that everybody from strident pacifists to dogmatic nihilists managed to contribute to something larger than themselves; everything else followed from this.

Community organizers won public support and turned out far more than the usual suspects; this made the streets safer for everyone and helped expand dialogue beyond the radical ghetto. Those who wanted to confront the summit itself marched toward it on Thursday and demonstrated in front of it Friday afternoon; this provided a political narrative for the mobilization. Black bloc anarchists who wanted to avoid the authorities in order to attack everyday manifestations of capital got their wish, doing well over $50,000 of property damage to corporations, police, and university animal testing facilities. Those who wished to cast themselves as legitimate protesters whose voices were being suppressed by a police state had adequate opportunity to do so, and were joined by hundreds of unwitting University of Pittsburgh students in a spectacle that could only erode the credibility of the authorities.

Meanwhile, anarchists gained credibility both by taking the initiative in organizing and by cooperating successfully with other groups. Thursday’s anarchist-organized unpermitted march was the main action of the first day of the G20, drawing participants from all sorts of political perspectives and social backgrounds; on Friday, a raucous anarchist contingent swelled the permitted march organized by the Anti-War Committee (AWC). Though some had initially feared that the Pittsburgh Principles were a watered-down version of the St. Paul Principles established in the mobilization against the 2008 RNC, they succeeded in enabling anarchists and others to coordinate actions and maintain solidarity.

In this regard, we can see the G20 mobilization as building on the precedents set by the 2008 RNC mobilization to establish the legitimacy of anarchist organizing in the public eye. In the anti-war era, anarchist organizing was successfully marginalized by liberal groups; anarchists organized breakaway marches and other peripheral actions but repeatedly failed to take the initiative to determine the fundamental character of mass protests. In hopes of breaking this pattern, anarchists got started well over a year before the 2008 RNC, emerging as one of the major players in the organizing.

The first day of the RNC, anarchists participated in decentralized marches and blockades, while anti-war activists sponsored a permitted march. This was based partly on the reasoning that the most successful direct-action-oriented protests of the preceding decade had been coordinated to coincide with other events, spreading the police thin. In Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh G20 Resistance Project (PGRP) went further, organizing an unpermitted march as the only event for the first day—an ambitious gamble.

The Anti-War Committee had discussed scheduling its permitted march for Thursday as well, but the PGRP had already announced the unpermitted march for that day. This meant that the AWC had the option of repeating the format of the 2008 RNC; however, some prominent participants stated that they were convinced that the story of the day on Thursday was bound to be the PGRP march. The AWC chose instead to hold the permitted march on Friday.

So it happened that the main event opening the G20 protests was organized primarily by anarchists and according to anarchist principles. This made other aspects of the mobilization easier: for example, liberals who might otherwise have attempted to discredit the PGRP were hesitant to do so, knowing that many members of their groups were participating in the Thursday march. At the same time, it raised the stakes: if anarchists and their allies were solely responsible for the first day of the protests, they could hardly afford to “go it alone,” failing to bring out other demographics.

Accordingly, the PGRP organized a local outreach operation improving on the door-to-door efforts the RNC Welcoming Committee had carried out in the Twin Cities; this reached a majority of the houses in Greenfield, Bloomfield, and Lawrenceville, among other neighborhoods. For $400, the PGRP printed 10,000 copies of a four-page newspaper in plain language that connected the G20 to local issues such as transit, war, and healthcare.

The RNC Welcoming Committee had over a year and a half to prepare for the 2008 RNC; Pittsburgh anarchists had barely four months to prepare for the G20. Estimates of anarchist participation in the RNC protests vary, but most peak around 1000; at the spokescouncil the day before the action, something like 500 people were represented. At the spokescouncil the night before the G20 protests, perhaps 300 people were represented, provoking some distress; but the following day over 1000 people gathered at Arsenal Park for the unpermitted march.

A few hundred of these were militant anarchists from around the US, but a great number of them were Pittsburgh locals. Some of the latter were liberals and radicals who had developed relationships with anarchists in the Pittsburgh Organizing Group (POG) in its seven years of activity preceding the formation of the PGRP; some were students, out in greater numbers than expected because the school district cancelled classes during the summit; others were simply people who had stumbled upon the PGRP call to action against the G20. They came out despite the efforts of the government and corporate media to intimidate them and discredit anarchist organizers. Many of them stayed in the streets despite the waves of repression that ensued.

Even those who only wish to fight police and destroy corporate property must acknowledge the importance of the outreach that involved all these people in the mobilization. Without this social body, it would have been easy for the police to focus on repressing isolated anarchists, and successful direct action would have occurred in a vacuum rather than in a social context in which it could be inspiring and infectious.

In positioning themselves to lay the groundwork for such outreach and coordination, long-running organizations like POG serve an essential role in the infrastructure of the anarchist movement. This goes for the more recently established Greater Pittsburgh Anarchist Collective, as well, which also contributed to PGRP organizing. If we want to see large-scale mobilizations, there have to be groups with the capacity and credibility to organize them: groups everyone can trust to come through on their commitments, so people know they are not taking a great risk by showing up from out of town. This is not to say that every anarchist must organize in such a group, or that this is the most important form of anarchist organizing—but without at least a few of these, anarchists will be doomed to the periphery of protest movements, and may find it difficult to coordinate other large-scale forms of resistance as well.

All this said, had the PGRP turned out 1000 participants for a march that simply ended up being dispersed or mass-arrested in the empty industrial zone southwest of Arsenal Park, it would not have been nearly as empowering as what happened. Autonomous anarchists making decisions outside the PGRP framework played an essential role in the success of the G20 protests.

Anarchists focused on conflict and property destruction have long fantasized about “Plan B”—the idea that, rather than attacking heavily defended symbolic manifestations of state and capital such as summit meetings, would-be rioters should appear where they are least expected in order to do more damage with impunity. This model notoriously failed at the 2007 anti-G8 mobilization in Germany, among other places. In theoretical terms, Plan B is an attempt to free direct action from the baggage of activism, to channel dissent into resistance rather than performing it reactively and symbolically. It could be said that, at worst, the reasoning behind “Plan B” fails to take into account the social and psychological foundations of the successful street actions of the past decade, approaching rioting in purely military terms. The social body behind the anarchist riots of recent memory has been bound together as much by the feeling of entitlement that comes of fighting an obvious external foe as by the clandestine networks and illicit desires championed by partisans of Plan B.

In Pittsburgh, however, as out-of-town anarchists arrived and familiarized themselves with the terrain, some concluded it would be disastrous to march towards the summit and directly into a police trap; this included some who had not previously been enthusiastic about Plan B. With thousands of police waiting for it, no one believed the march had any chance of reaching the convention center; if the point was simply to stage a confrontational protest, the empty corridor between Arsenal Park and the convention center was hardly the most opportune setting.

At the same time, as so many locals had been brought into the mobilization on the grounds that they were going to march on the G20, it was impossible to change plans without losing the social body of the march. PGRP organizers argued this at the spokescouncil, and this was further underscored when the body of the march refused to follow the black bloc at the front when it turned east away from the convention center on its way out of Arsenal Park. Everyone else continued toward the summit, and the bloc that had headed east turned back and rejoined the mass. The choice not to split the march proved pivotal: because of this, when it later proved impossible to make any headway toward the convention center, a great many more people headed east than had initially attempted to.

Had the entire march continued east at the outset rather than heading toward the convention center as promised, there would surely have been intense controversy afterwards, which might have seriously undermined Pittsburgh anarchists’ credibility in the eyes of their community. Fortunately, the way things played out, everyone got to do what they wanted, and to do it together.

Only a few blocks west of Arsenal Park, the march came up against a line of police excited to show off the sonic weaponry of their new LRAD vehicle. The LRAD was not particularly effective against anarchists, many of whom have willingly subjected themselves to similarly unpleasant noises at comparable volumes as a result of their musical tastes. But the march wisely chose not to make a serious attempt to breach the police lines, knowing there must be more police waiting ahead to block and likely surround them.

Indymedia photographs have since confirmed this, showing a much larger police contingent waiting a couple blocks past the first police blockade:

In the end, by blocking the route to the convention center, the police were the ones who forced marchers to turn around and head east. They can be held responsible for everything that happened next—the property destruction, the pepper-gassing of civilians, the disruption of business and traffic. However, the shift of the action eastward probably would not have occurred so decisively had autonomous anarchists not already been discussing the potential of setting out in that direction.

Once the rest of the city was added to the terrain of struggle, it was a whole new ball game. Protesters were not simply chanting in isolation, but transforming the urban landscape according to a new logic. The police were not simply staffing a militarized zone far from the public eye, but interrupting the flows of business as usual. This was no longer protest as private grudge match, but a public event that affected everyone whether or not they had previously taken a side.

Everything that occurred in Oakland—the mass standoff with the police, the black bloc that decimated the business district, the police riot the following night—came as a surprise to practically everyone. On Wednesday, everybody from local organizers to out-of-town maniacs had agreed that Oakland would be impassable on account of the G20 leaders’ visit to neighboring Schenley Park. The extension of the demonstration into the city at large opened up possibilities that had been unimaginable.

If protest is essentially theater, anarchists were breaking the fourth wall, involving the audience in the play. There is a great deal of talk about this in anarchist circles, but it rarely occurs on the transformative level everyone desires. It is perhaps ironic that the actions of black bloc anarchists were instrumental in bringing this about. The local organizers had kept the social body of protesters together by insisting on heading towards the convention center, but it was the autonomous anarchists’ movement away from the convention center that involved the rest of the city in the action.

The fierceness of Thursday’s black blocs bears special comment. There were only a few hundred police in Seattle, and they more than had their hands full dealing with other demonstrators. The black bloc in Pittsburgh, on the other hand, was menaced by ten times that number of police, but still wreaked considerable havoc. On Thursday night, when a couple hundred anarchists rampaged through downtown Oakland, there were hundreds of militarized police mere blocks away; police vehicles showed up at the very outset of the march, but the participants were utterly unfazed. Though the events in Pittsburgh hardly compare to the actions of some black blocs overseas, they are impressive in the US context.

It has been said that the demonstrations of the past decade have functioned as a sort of inoculation for the police state: without ever seriously threatening it, they have provoked it to develop a much more powerful immune system. Yet it may be that this police state has also bred a tougher breed of anarchist, too, the way that new strains of virus evolve that are immune to existing vaccines. The state has not succeeded in suppressing the desires that motivate anarchist resistance. In Pittsburgh, whenever an opening appeared, anarchists poured eagerly into it—smashing windows by the dozen, hailing projectiles onto police lines, and largely escaping unscathed.

It was significant that the actions of the black bloc were integrated into the rest of the protest, occurring together with and as an expression of the whole. Had the Plan B fantasy led instead to some entirely clandestine action distant from the rest of the protesters, it might have set a dangerous precedent for that faction of the US anarchist movement, signifying a slide towards the logic of closed circles and armed struggle. Instead, militant confrontation was collective and infectious. The most militant elements established a symbiotic relationship with the larger social body in the streets on Thursday: despite the wide range of participants, there were few cases of serious conflict over tactics.

By choosing to participate in an unpermitted march, everyone present had taken a stand in favor of disruption; tactics that might have been controversial elsewhere, such as rolling dumpsters at police or smashing corporate windows, were interpreted as expressions of the collective desire to hold ground or as legitimate retaliation for indiscriminate police violence. Together, the black bloc and the rest of the protesters made mass arrests very difficult: the sheer numbers made wholesale encirclement impractical and politically costly, while the speed, mobility, and ferocity of the militant minority stretched police attention over a wide area and prevented the police from controlling the crowd. For example, at the end of Thursday afternoon when the police attempted to prevent the crowd from entering Oakland by blocking them off at the intersection of Liberty and Baum, not only did the black bloc get through their lines, but the challenges of holding back the rest of the crowd kept the police busy while the bloc barricaded the street, smashed the windows of Boston Market and other establishments, and penetrated deep into Oakland. This forced the police to occupy the entire neighborhood with a military force, precipitating the events of that evening and the following day.

So much attention has focused on Thursday that it’s easy to forget about the actions called for Friday morning. As in the calls for autonomous actions at the 2004 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, which were not subsequently deemed particularly successful, a list was circulated of local targets embodying everything objectionable about global capitalism. Some local organizers who were pessimistic about the potential of mass mobilizations saw the Friday call to action as a way to connect the G20 protests to local issues; for others, it was a fallback plan in case Thursday was a washout, and a way to draw attention to the targets through advance media coverage. It had an unintended effect, however: by Wednesday, a great number of the establishments on the list had boarded up their shop fronts and announced that they were closed for the week. This forced organizers to rethink the strategy for the day, as it made less sense to call for actions at closed, boarded up targets. Some actions still occurred—including an Iraq Veterans Against the War march and actions outside a recruiting station and a Whole Foods—but it would have taken a great deal of street activity to have interrupted business as usual to the extent that the call to action did on its own.

Downtown Pittsburgh was similarly affected. According to some reports, barely 20% of the people who normally work in or travel through downtown did so during the summit. Surely this is more due to alarmist rhetoric and overzealous policing than to anarchist organizing; we could hardly overthrow capitalism simply by subjecting it to such inconveniences, anyway. But it does give a sense of the context of repression and control in which anarchists were nonetheless able to act.

Shortly before the demonstrations, the authorities in Pittsburgh were attempting to backpedal on their original scare-tactic story about anarchists coming to destroy the city. Apparently the spin had gotten out of control, and the city government was eager to reassure businessmen and consumers that the anarchists did not pose such a dramatic threat after all.

This brings us to the final successful aspect of the mobilization—media liaison work. Advance media coverage is the space in which police lay the groundwork to justify raids and violent repression; to the extent to which activists can counteract these smear campaigns, they can tie the hands of police, although corporate media is hardly a neutral playing field.

One person from the PGRP gave dozens of on-camera interviews, repeating talking points consensed on by the media working group; a pseudonym was used by various members of the group to reply to telephone and email interviews. While refuting police fabrications, representatives of the PGRP never shied away from the politics or intentions of the group; this may have helped legitimize Thursday’s unpermitted march in some eyes, drawing more participants. It’s also possible that such a forthright media policy discouraged police from raiding spaces before the G20, although there are several other possible explanations for this.

Immediately after the demonstrations, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette actually admitted in the first sentence of a front-page article that anarchists “weren't stockpiling human waste to throw at police.” This kind of honesty is almost unheard of in the world of corporate journalism. Other stories were comparably favorable, at least compared to the usual flood of mendacity.

It’s possible that obtaining fairer coverage was easier this time around because, for once, anarchists were part of a story the media wanted to tell. Corporate reporters generally have a story ready in advance to feed to interviewees, in order to make their own job as simple as possible; perhaps, in this case, anarchists happened to be useful for the spin journalists planned to put on the summit, with the recession on and discontent simmering. In any event, we can’t count on being fairly represented by the corporate media in the future, even if others emulate the work of the PGRP media working group.


Repression: Police Tactics and Strategy

“We’re trying to thin out the innocent.”

–Pittsburgh University Police Chief Tim Delaney,
quoted by corporate media reporter Rich Lord
(we can’t make this stuff up!)

Up until 2 p.m. Thursday, many doubted the unpermitted march would even make it out of Arsenal Park. Organizers and anarchists of all stripes dramatically misread the plans of the police. Things turned out better than expected, but it is bad news, not good news, when we fail to predict our foes’ behavior accurately.

Let’s look again at the context shaping the police strategy. The weeks before the G20 saw a pitched struggle in the media and the city government. The liberal community was pushing civil liberties issues, with the ACLU winning a lawsuit over the right to demonstrate; the City Council was divided, having struck down a mask ordinance despite pressure from police and presumably the federal government. One City Council member went so far as to attend the beginning of Thursday’s unpermitted march; he had also showed up at the picnic at Friendship Park on Tuesday, and it may not have been coincidental that the police massing nearby disappeared immediately afterwards.

The police had already embarrassed themselves with heavy-handed scare tactics weeks before the summit. The local police force was far too small to handle the G20 alone, but bringing in additional forces increased the challenges of coordination and the likelihood that outside officers might behave in ways that could be costly for the city. The city government was extremely short on funds, and could hardly afford the processing costs of mass arrests, let alone consequent lawsuits.

Police intelligence—oxymorons aside—seemed to be at an all-time low. The police attempted to recruit spies from adjacent social milieus, offering money for them to report on protest organizing; but as the PGRP came together largely out of long-existing relationships, most of the working groups were composed of people who had a lot of context for each other. There were internal conflicts about the exclusion of suspicious individuals, but—unlike the RNC Welcoming Committee—those who were suspected of being police agents were not permitted to participate in sensitive organizing. With only a few months warning that the G20 was to occur in Pittsburgh, the authorities had considerably less time to infiltrate activist circles. They had already been tracking many PGRP organizers for years, and they continued physically tracking them up to and during the summit; but it may be that a lack of informants directly within organizing circles prevented the state from manufacturing incriminating statements that could offer pretexts for raids or conspiracy charges. The FBI did not repeat the despicable tactic of entrapping impressionable young activists that it had employed at the RNC, either.

There are indications that the conspiracy charges brought against the organizers known as the RNC 8 were not ordered by the federal government, but rather by overzealous Ramsey County authorities; the case has not gone well for the state thus far, which has already been compelled to drop the terrorism charges against them. This is another possible explanation of why no similar charges have been brought against PGRP organizers, whether or not the internal security practices of the PGRP were more effective than those of the RNC 8. Either way, it appears that the RNC 8 charges do not set an inexorable precedent for the future. Those who organize anarchist frameworks for mass mobilizations won’t automatically be charged with felony conspiracy, though this is not to say that it will never happen again. Much may still hinge on the outcome of the RNC 8 trial.

Without actionable intelligence on anarchist organizing, rank-and-file police focused on harassing subcultural spaces in the weeks before the summit. They did seem prepared to carry out raids—they hassled several collective houses as well as Seeds of Peace, they threatened the convergence space and the Wellness Center, they located and raided the alleged comms space even though it was twenty miles outside of town—but they didn’t seriously go after organizers’ or protesters’ housing.

This may have been the result of a cost-benefit analysis. The city was attempting to downplay the negative impact of the G20 summit and the repressive policing surrounding it, and raids would have had the opposite effect. Meanwhile, protesters were not gathered in or especially dependent on any one space. Although the lack of centralized housing for out-of-town protesters was inconvenient, it meant that no single police raid could have significantly disrupted the mobilization. We will certainly see more police raids in the future, and the authorities must have been prepared to carry them out in Pittsburgh, but it seems they concluded at the end that there was nothing to gain from doing so.

This brings us back to the afternoon of September 24. In response not only to protester hype but also to the usual counterinsurgency paranoia, thousands of police and National Guard had been brought into Pittsburgh at a cost of millions and millions of dollars. The local government wasn’t particularly eager to set them loose on demonstrators, but the PGRP march left them no choice.

Police were out in force around Arsenal Park, with the rest of their numbers almost all positioned west of it. They had an initial line ready to intercept the unpermitted march at 37th and Penn Avenue, and a considerably stronger body of troops a couple blocks behind that. They planned to confront the crowd in this comparatively isolated area, pepper-gassing the working-class inhabitants of the neighborhood as well as the protesters. It is possible they were prepared to make mass arrests—they did so the following night, when it didn’t make any sense at all—but they didn’t attempt to make them immediately. Instead, the police strategy rested on crowd control and dispersal; they planned to break up the crowd from a distance, rather than engaging in hand-to-hand combat. The vision of 1000 people being beaten and arrested on the evening news was simply too much for local politicians to stomach.

The police don’t seem to have placed many undercovers in the march. This must have been dictated by their strategy. Relying on distance weapons that affect everyone indiscriminately—pepper gas, the LRAD, beanbag rounds—they could hardly fill the march with agents who would be endangered by these. In most of the snatch arrests that transpired Thursday afternoon, a car pulled up and officers leaped out to grab the victim. This indicates fears for the safety of officers in the vicinity of protesters, and police representatives have said as much in subsequent interviews about the snatch arrests.

A police strategy of crowd control and dispersal is convenient for anarchists in a variety of ways. Fewer arrests means higher morale coming out of the mobilization and less legal support work afterwards; crowd control agents and “less lethal munitions” dramatize the oppressive nature of the police state, creating an atmosphere of social conflict. In North America, we rarely see the police respond to anarchist demonstrations with this strategy; the Quebec City anti-FTAA protests of April 2001 are one of the only other examples of this occurring on a large scale. Presumably the authorities only adopt this approach when they are convinced that they are going to be dealing with a great number of protesters, at least some of whom are capable of defending themselves.

It was a tremendous victory in advance that the police adopted this strategy. Again, a great part of the credit for this goes to the PGRP, whose organizing work made it clear ahead of time that Thursday’s march would not be safe to trifle with. Beyond this, it seems to have been the result of external limitations. Anarchists should not congratulate themselves too much on the results of this fortuitous development; it would be more useful to focus on learning how to predict and produce similar police strategies in the future. If we manage to pose a serious threat, the state will surely mobilize every force at its disposal against us; but there is a lot to be gained from analyzing the factors that determine how the state can apply that force.

As has been seen at other mobilizations, the police were hesitant to confront those who were capable of defending themselves; consequently, the latter suffered a great deal less state violence than peaceful protesters and hapless bystanders. As counterintuitive as it sounds, it is often safer at the front of the black bloc than at the back of a crowd of confused spectators.

Subsequent newspaper reports have shed some light on the failure of police to respond to the Bash Back! march that devastated the university district Thursday night. If these are to be believed, emergency response officers were powerless to respond because they had been assigned to guard the area around nearby Phipps Conservatory, where the G20 leaders were dining. It was extremely audacious to attack the shopping district only a couple blocks away, but coupled with speed and the element of surprise, audacity can pay off, especially in a terrain that lends itself to swift movement and dispersal. It’s still surprising that police did not surround the march from the very beginning. Perhaps they were overextended policing the rest of Oakland and keeping up with the disturbances around the corner by Schenley Plaza; or perhaps they believed the statement at the previous night’s spokescouncil that the Bash Back! march would be a “nonviolent” event.

The same sources indicate that the authorities were crippled by the challenges of integrating officers from so many different departments into one command structure. This made it impossible to encrypt radio communications completely; police saw their on-air orders appear moments later in Twitter reports, prompting them to shift to cell phone communication, which cannot have improved matters. If the actions of the black bloc at the RNC in St. Paul did not completely dispel the myth of the all-powerful police state, the G20 protests should finish the job.

Massive marches like Thursday’s can be an appropriate space for defensive materials such as reinforced banners; these limit speed and mobility, but can shield against police attacks. The laws passed in advance to forbid defensive equipment do not seem to have been a factor in police actions or charges brought against demonstrators, but they may have helped discourage anarchists from bringing such materials. There were surprisingly few banners of any kind, with most anarchists opting to travel light so as to move swiftly and adapt to circumstances. Because anarchists spent much of Thursday avoiding, outrunning, and outsmarting police forces, this was probably for the best, but it could have been a more serious problem had it been necessary to break through police lines more often. During a confrontation at 38th and Mintwood, riot police attempted to block two dozen people in an alley; the protesters forced their way out in a shoving match that left the banners in enemy hands.

Instead of targeting organizers with conspiracy charges, the authorities brought felony charges against two alleged participants in the communications structure. In the absence of leaders, comms is something the state can understand as a nerve center; the comms office was raided at the RNC as well, though the state released arrestees without charges. The communications system in Pittsburgh continued functioning after the raid and arrests; it is absurd to charge two people with masterminding the protests when hundreds and hundreds of people were acting, communicating, and making decisions independently on the ground.

Just as the RNC 8 trial will set an important precedent for organizing in the US, this case will be instrumental in determining how communications technologies can be used in the 21st century. The FBI has since brutally raided one defendant’s house, underscoring how important this is to our oppressors. It should also be important to anyone who feels strongly about free speech, regardless of their political views. We strongly urge everyone to circulate information about this case and support the defendants by any means.

As of this writing, the story has just reached National Public Radio, and one of the defendants has appeared on Democracy Now! The search warrant for the raid, an inventory of seized items, and the original criminal complaint can be seen here.


Room for Improvement


Perhaps the most important question is whether we can consolidate the progress we’ve made through the RNC and the G20 towards determining the format and character of protest in the United States.

Many anarchists sat out the G20 protests, not expecting them to be successful or important. The few hundred who did come from out of town were able to accomplish a great deal, thanks largely to local participation; but the anarchist movement should be able to mobilize greater numbers for events like this. It needn’t interrupt ongoing local organizing to take a few days off once a year for a mobilization. In another setting, a black bloc of three hundred would simply not have been enough.

Many participants vastly overestimated the repressive power of the authorities in advance, perhaps in part because it has been so long since a successful mobilization on this scale. In some ways, the events of Thursday were a pleasant surprise, but it’s never advantageous to misjudge the plans of the police. For example, at the spokescouncil the night before, several dozen protesters agreed to do jail solidarity on the assumption that enough of them would be arrested that they would constitute a force with some leverage. As it turned out, only a very small number of them were arrested, leaving the few individuals who refused to give their names in jail high and dry.

It is impossible to predict police strategy with any certainty, but being able to do so more accurately would help anarchists plan better. Many people are probably kicking themselves now for not going to Pittsburgh. In many ways, the anarchist movement is still haunted by the ghosts of the Miami FTAA and the St. Paul RNC, even though we have entered a new era. If anarchists maintain confrontational organizing in the wake of the G20, we can expect the state to increase the force it employs against us, but this cannot render us powerless—only our own fear and disorganization can do that. The battles that took place in Pittsburgh offer instructive examples of how outnumbered and outgunned protesters can nevertheless strike effective blows in the street.

As in practically every other sphere of anarchist organizing, attrition remains one of our most serious problems. Very few of the participants in the G20 mobilization were involved in mobilizations around the turn of the century; if we don’t retain more participants from this generation, we will have to relearn the same lessons and build up the same skillsets all over again in another decade or less.

Perhaps the most important question is whether we can consolidate the progress we’ve made through the RNC and the G20 towards determining the format and character of protest in the United States. It’s not clear whether other anarchist communities will be able to replicate the achievements of their comrades in Minneapolis and Pittsburgh. In struggling to present alternatives to the docile and defeatist forms of protest currently viewed as legitimate, we are going against the grain of political discourse in the US; if we can succeed at this, it will change the shape of resistance movements in this country. Let’s hope Pittsburgh was not an anomaly, but a step towards this.

The same day the unpermitted march gathered at Arsenal Park in Pittsburgh, students and workers occupied the Graduate Student Commons at the University of California at Santa Cruz, while students at the New School in New York City shut down a talk by former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge. These actions are at least as important and instructive as the G20 protests; we can stage a mass mobilization once a year, but we win or lose ground in the struggle against hierarchy in ongoing local engagements.

In that regard, the strategic lessons of Pittsburgh are no more important than the feeling of empowerment that participants took home with them. Hundreds of people now feel in their bodies that, should circumstances require, they can don masks and sweatshirts and become an unstoppable force of defiance.

All this may still miss the mark. In the midst of an economic crisis, when a great part of the population is struggling just to make ends meet, neither nationwide mobilizations nor local occupations will put food directly on the table. We need to popularize anarchist alternatives that can provide for daily-life survival needs; this is the field in which successful models could be most contagious and transformative. Our success in this sphere will determine what we are capable of in every other context. Perhaps our next mobilization should be decentralized, taking place in every neighborhood around the country, offering people the opportunity to fight for their own lives in an immediate sense.

This is not to say we should hang up our black sweatshirts. They may be useful in that fight as well.

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CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: Juniper11 on Thursday, October 08 2009 @ 06:23 PM UTC
Incomplete list of damage
PNC Bank at Liberty Avenue and Matilda Street, Bloomfield, broken glass door
PNC Bank at Liberty Avenue and Matilda Street, Bloomfield, broken ATM
PNC Bank on Craig Street, Oakland, broken windows
BNY Mellon on Craig Street, Oakland, broken windows
Citizens Bank on Craig Street, Oakland, broken windows
Fidelity Bank on Morewood and Centre avenues, Shadyside, broken windows, broken drive-thru
P&W BMW Auto Showroom on Baum Boulevard, Bloomfield, broken window panes
Boston Market Restaurant on Baum Boulevard, Shadyside, 10 broken window panes
KFC on Baum Boulevard, Bloomfield, broken window pane
Pamela’s on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
Quizno’s Subs on Craig Street, Oakland, broken windows
Irish Design Center on Craig Street, Oakland, broken windows
Panera Bread on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
McDonalds on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
Bruegger's Bagels on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
Subway on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
Rite Aid on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
FedEx on Forbes Avenue, Oakland, broken windows
H&R Block on Atwood Street, Oakland, broken windows
Mellon Institute at CMU, Oakland, broken windows
Two CMU police cars, broken windows
North Carolina police car, windshield and side windows
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: risinglion on Thursday, October 08 2009 @ 08:35 PM UTC
I can think of a few more points to bring up:
- Journalists weren't embedded with the police, that benefited us as they got subjected to police force, which made them report in our favor.

- Affinity groups could have moved out before we got kettled on Friday night and run Oakland or even downtown on a scale comparable to Thursday's black bloc. We didn't have our shit together until 10:30pm and then it was too late.

- Media work for Pittsburgh Principle orgs could have been consolidated into more joint press conferences that would have built even greater solidarity across the different groups and contingents.

- Comms: we could've used mobilizeus.org instead of Twitter for tactical announcements. The students and climate/enviro contingents used this pretty effectively.
(in-house radical technology, more secure, cleared archive afterward)

- although we set out to use occupation as a tactic, we didn't, and we lost a possible sustained insurrectionary space to launch our platform and steal press attention from the G20

Excerpts from my shoddy first-ever report-back:

<blockquote>A Look Around and Ongoing Reflection on the G-20 in Pittsburgh

Earlier in the week, the Three Rivers Climate Convergence, Landslide Community Farm, and the Seeds of Peace food bus were all harassed by police and even Homeland Security agents. An injunction filed on behalf of the victims by the ACLU was struck down by a federal judge under national security auspices, essentially authorizing martial law in Pittsburgh.

G-6 Billion, a faith-based mobilization, marched on Sunday bearing the flags of all nations not represented by the G-20, but were blocked by a phalanx of police from their permitted route to the Allegheny River.

Bail Out the People marched as police cameras photographed every protester on Sunday through the Hill District, a deeply cultural and neglected neighborhood. They demanded a right to a job and criticized Obama as a traitor to the working class people who have always carried the weight of capitalism's crises.

That day, an article called "President isn't advocate of mass protests" appeared in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. In it, President Obama said, "that having protests about abstractions [such] as global capitalism or something, generally is not really going to make much of a difference." The article continued, "Mr. Obama urged dissatisfied workers to understand that globalization is inevitable."

By the middle of the week, housing was growing scarce as demonstrators swelled into the city. Anarchists and socialists found common ground on floors and in the Bail Out the People tent city in the Hill District. I found this reminiscent of a century ago when communists and anarchists united to resist the Pittsburgh steel and railroad magnates by striking in unions together. By the middle of the week, our highly factional movements were desegregated by a necessity for space. Wounds that have been poisoned by destructive rhetoric started to heal. Ghosts from the Homestead Steel and Pennsylvania Railroad strikes seemed to be hovering overhead.

On Wednesday night, the eve of the G-20, after a successful student and youth march for "free and emancipating education for all" from Carnegie Mellon University to University of Pittsburgh, I found myself in a sidewalk procession of Radical Caroling downtown. As we left the USW rally singing "Solidarity Forever" up Liberty and Fifth Avenues, the local Breakaway Marching Band sounded glorious.

I looked left and right as we passed under a freeway overpass behind the Mellon Bank tower. In addition to the police and the mighty dollar, the G-20 nations and their collusive corporate partners repress us psychologically through cultural institutions. That night, we overcame those differences.

The music thundered off of the concrete and a hundred voices raised to set a tone of solidarity with the verse,
<i>They divide us by our color; they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women,; they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices, when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!</i>

<b>The momentous week of resistance in Pittsburgh, both permitted and unpermitted, was empowering for me because it was not dominated by a single milieu, set of tactics, or single radical faction. The Pittsburgh Principles, that separated divergent tactics in time, space, and message embedded a mutual respect for each other's expressions of resistance. Elders and young people, punks and preps, allies and traditionally oppressed groups, and a spectrum of anarchists and socialists all linked arms. Affinity groups and contingents allied together with tactical revolutionary zeal that I haven't experienced before.</b>

I have dozens of stories to illustrate this pro-democracy bond. For example on Thursday during the People's Uprising March organized by the Pittsburgh G-20 Resistance Project, I erected a sheet of plywood with a socialist comrade during a volley of bean bag rounds to protect a corporate newspaper journalist who, like all major media reporters, was unable to be embedded with the police. While we were ducking down, black bandanna, red bandanna, and suit all waiting for the snapping to pause so we could dash away, we smiled and nodded. A revolutionary spirit was growing.

At the University of Pittsburgh Thursday and Friday nights, the police tear gassed, mass arrested, shot rubber coated steel bullets, and blasted the new Long Range Acoustical Device sound cannon upon protesters and onlooking students. Young people, who many radicals often stereotype as oblivious to political and economic realities, have united in a call for police accountability.

Matthew Lynas, of the Radical Student Alliance at Carnegie Mellon University, said, "Students are building ties with members of the larger community in a movement to hold accountable the parties responsible for the use of excessive police force, wrongful arrests and the breach of civil liberties that occurred in and around the University of Pittsburgh campus. “What Happened at Pitt?” is an open organization that anyone can join. The group is committed to taking action to both highlight the violent and unnecessary police measures and to question all those who gave permission for riot police to occupy the University of Pittsburgh campus and place the surrounding neighborhoods under forceful police rule akin to martial law."

The level of repression we're experiencing can only mean one thing: our movements are powerful and the elites are scared of us.

During the week, a tactical communications team managed a Twitter mass text system via cell phone conversations and an FM radio that enabled the marches and actions to adapt and evade police repression. One man from the "comms" team named Elliot Madison was arrested by Pennsylvania police from his motel room in Pittsburgh, released on bail, and later had his home in New York City raided for 16 hours by an FBI anti-terrorism unit with helicopters overhead.

Two useful things can be drawn from this, the hilarious term "anti-Twerrorism" and the hypocrisy of the Obama Administration that negotiated with Twitter during the Iranian pro-democracy uprising to hold off on scheduled maintenance so that the Iranian resistance could continue to grow.

However, in the United States, pro-democracy uprisings are treated by Obama as terrorism and brutally repressed, not unlike Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cooked up for Iranians. Ironically, the G-20 leaders spent a bulk of their time in Pittsburgh pointing their fingers at Iranian regime for being corrupt, illegitimate, and totalitarian as we were beaten and shot outside in the streets.

In the coming months, our comrades in the climate justice movement will be escalating their struggle against mountain top removal in West Virginia and their movement to resist neo-liberal policies at the international climate summit in Copenhagen this December. The National Equality March this week is another struggle for civil rights that is beginning to transcend marginal issues like marriage and military service to demand mutual respect and solidarity from all of society. The financial crisis, housing crisis, health care crisis, and inevitable escalation of war in Afghanistan all demand broad social movement resistance and direct action alternatives to capitalism and the state.

After Pittsburgh and in light of the work ahead, I call on all organizers to devote some energy to linking together our social movements like we did two weeks, decades, and a century ago. We all do different work and have some different visions of what a our ideal society would look like and how we'll get there. However, we will never win if we aren't committed to supporting each other's struggles, especially if that means we burn our bridges with destructive rhetoric and dogmas.

For this reason, I am adopting the Pittsburgh Principles as an essential part of all of my organizing. I think that adhering to their values are the only way we'll survive the onslaught of repression that capitalists and authoritarians have in store for us. It's nice to see a revolutionary movement rapidly growing during a Democratic administration. Perhaps this time we can steer it further than we did in the 1990s (when I was just in elementary school).</blockquote>
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: CaseyFord on Thursday, October 08 2009 @ 09:44 PM UTC
Media work for Pittsburgh Principle orgs could have been consolidated into more joint press conferences that would have built even greater solidarity across the different groups and contingents.

No, it couldn't have been. You misunderstand the Principles. They committed the signatories to acting with a very basic form solidarity through actions and messages. Essentially, not doing anything to harm the organizing of other groups. They didn't set everyone up to work together. Had the PGRP's media group been working with more liberal organizations, it wouldn't have helped, and possible hurt, the efforts of those involved. PGRP's message might have been compromised with false, statist premises. Before the action week, the messaging was coming out of many of the other organizations, be it the AWC or the climate convergence, was focused around permits. The argument, sometimes implicit, sometimes explicit, was that these orgs weren't a threat and ought to be allowed to First Amendment this and First Amendment that. The PGRP repeatedly refused to get any permits or fall into statist traps about the constitution and rights and liberties n'at. and did so as a matter of principle. Compromising that message would have compromised the PGRP's credibility. And if the PGRP had said, fuck permits and fuck the state at these theoretical joint press-conferences, the other orgs credibility and cabability to fight all the bullshit would be greatly hindered.

Comms: we could've used mobilizeus.org instead of Twitter for tactical announcements. The students and climate/enviro contingents used this pretty effectively. (in-house radical technology, more secure, cleared archive afterward)

Sigh. Where to begin?

First, it's mobilizeus.com. I see nothing on their site to suggest they are radical. They have the free service, but also payment plans and it's unclear if you can have a public group without paying. It looks harder to use. And it just doesn't have the functionality of twitter. I'm also not convinced we would want the archive cleared. And I see nothing to indicate it's more secure (which as a general rule means harder to use, tho not always).

And as for it's effectiveness for the student contingent? Really? Cuz there were quite a few students who didn't even know about the last second change in the starting point of the student march. Hell, the only reason I knew, was cuzza twitter.

And really, as far as legal battles, it's prolly better for the comms folks arrested (Twitter 2? Twerror 2? Twerrorist 2?) that it was twitter because people know what the fuck that is and it becomes a bigger deal.

although we set out to use occupation as a tactic, we didn't, and we lost a possible sustained insurrectionary space to launch our platform and steal press attention from the G20

To this, I have no response except, what the fuck are you talking about? When was that set out as a tactic? In your head? In your meetings with yourself?


And as far as your reportback, don't fucking act like the beef between anti-authoritarians and state socialists is just petty bickering and sectarianism. There are very real and valid reasons for it historically, in the recent past, in the present and no doubt in the future.

CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: Annie Nimmety on Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:10 AM UTC
"Let’s compare the RNC protests in St. Paul with the WTO protests, then, since it is practically impossible not to."

-Going It Alone, Anarchist Action at the Democratic
and Republican National Conventions, Crimethinc.

"The fierceness of Thursday’s black blocs bears special comment. There were only a few hundred police in Seattle, and they more than had their hands full dealing with other demonstrators. The black bloc in Pittsburgh, on the other hand, was menaced by ten times that number of police, but still wreaked considerable havoc."

-The Above Text, Crimethinc.

Would you fuckers, whoever the fuck you are, shut the fuck up about Seattle. And better yet, would you stop trying to milk whatever life is left in whatever kids are still trying to do something. You're old and pathetic, you ruin all spontaneity, all diversity, all free thinking. You create drones because you are a drone. You released a DVD about Seattle, making it into the first coming of Christ. And now you narrate your fucking bullshit story of anarchy's ascent into heaven where all the drones can hold our deadlocked saviors hand on the that glorious day when one of these pointless mobilizations finally equals the beauty and grandeur of Seattle. Just shut up. Stop. You are old and full of farts.

You are glossy vampires, selling anarchy back to anarchists. Stop taking pictures of all your fucking commodities, stop glorying in your power. Your time is up, you fucks. You've done enough damage. Have the decency, like the SI, to fucking kill yourselves.

Last chance, fuckers...

PS

I'm just kidding. Where would be without Crimethinc.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: biofilo on Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:07 AM UTC
Annie--

I hate to say this, but I'm guessing you're not so young yourself anymore. The time may be just around the corner when newer anarchists will be angry with you for sticking around, too. They'll crucify you for making references to things they missed, and accuse you of exploiting the youth even if you're the one putting yourself on the line. If there are tactics or approaches dear to your heart, they'll tear them to pieces. It won't be enough for them to simply say they're into other things--they'll have to be right about everything, proclaiming the Only Way. Every time you look up from writing an imprisoned comrade, there'll be another bucket of hostility anonymously dumped in your face.

And I feel for you, because it's going to suck. No matter how humble you try to be in your efforts to contribute, no matter what you go without, it will never be enough. Ironically, they'll only leave you alone if you drop out of the movement so dear to their hearts. Only if every organization and project disbands rather than learning from its mistakes (or anything else)--only if we start over from scratch every single generation, the way anarchists do in the US (and practically nowhere else)--can that particular breed of iconoclasm be satisfied.

The young folks will be right about a lot of what they're saying, but your impulse is going to be to just say fuck you all, and quit. Let me implore you for a second: when that happens, whether it's next week or next year, please stick around, whatever people tell you. It's a horrible enough world already without even less of us trying to do something beautiful in it.

In the meantime, if you're trying to make a serious proposal to people who work on CrimethInc. projects, perhaps you should email one of the addresses; you might find yourself in a mature conversation. If you're just trying to show off, on the other hand, perhaps this is the right place.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:13 AM UTC
Moderation
Authored by: Admin on Friday, October 09 2009 @ 10:22 AM UTC
People shouldn't reply to tiresome flamebait.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: Al Ligator on Friday, October 09 2009 @ 11:49 AM UTC
Are you angry at them because they keep making references to Seattle as a 'coming of christ'? I guess that's fair enough. I have always refered to it positively, not because I was there, but because it helped me pay attention to what's going on in the world and feel that I had a hand in fighting individually as well as collectively for a better world.
The 10 year anniversary is right around the corner, and we also still celebrate Spain in '36, Paris in May '68, Paris in 1871, the general strike of 1877, etc. etc. etc.
But I agree that while all these can be celebrated, that we should always fight for the here and now.
I remember getting into anarchism that I didn't care about Proudhon or Bakunin or Chomsky, I cared about fighting back the homophobes that fucked with me, to be done with the ridiculous notion of religion once and for all. And although I was working class I didn't have much of a critique of capitalism other than I should just keep stealing from my bosses and I hated rich people.
So we should always remember to keep our writing relevant to those outside our circles...

I'll repeat that once again for today's insurrectionaries as well...
WE SHOULD ALWAYS REMEMBER TO KEEP OUR WRITING RELEVANT TO THOSE OUTSIDE OUR CIRCLES!
That is... if you really do want - a social war.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:14 AM UTC
twerrorism:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67...rorism.jpg

very funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: apopka on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 02:32 AM UTC
Something larger than ourselves?

The extensive and grandeur constructs portrayed and embodied by Crimethinc and the rest of the insurrectionary gang are completely off the wall. Nothing happened in Pittsburgh. Everyone left the protest living in the same stupid world. A few might say some experiences were gained. Or people realized their "potential". What potential? Where is this force, this "militant anticapitalism" ?? All that I see is capital and ritual. Repeat summit, repeat the image.

Do I need different colored glasses or the right words? Less question marks?
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 12:55 PM UTC
crimethinc are insurrectionists?

i'd hardly call them or the other black bloc folks who went there to be insurrectionists...or that to be the only form of "insurrection" in north america. maybe folks confuse this because it is the only form of that strain of thought that is spectacularized and portrayed to a larger audience. like someone said before on this site, north american anarchists do a horrible job at documenting all their efforts other than protests.

maybe militant activists is a better term for these folks, but surely not all of them are insurrectionists. i am sure there are a few folks who went down of course that have read shit from the french and italian insurrectionist milieus but really? the insurrectionists = the black bloc? crimethinc = the black bloc? get a clue...

insurrection is so much more than fucking up shit at summit protests. it can be part of a strategy that is so much more than just summits or "attack" such as infrastructure building at home, education and mutual aid efforts, organizing and taking action to provide for our material needs.

insurrectionist thought does not only equal attack. anarchist resistance as well as IA can take on multiple points of rupture.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 04:00 PM UTC
crimethinc has repeatedly said that they are insurrectionists. they have had things by insurrectionists in their publications, and in the latest issue of Rolling Thunder there is a huge article about IA.... you must not read much crimethinc stuff.

and i agree with you that there is tons of insurrectionary anarchists out there doing things other than or in addition to black blocs etc....
IA is about fighting about things that directly effect you instead of doing activism for some oppressed "other."
it is about a style of fluid organization that takes as its basis for existence mutual needs that need to be met.
it is about not shrinking from confrontation with the state and capitalism when those entities try to stifle attempts to change things that directly affect you, and expanding that confrontation to a collective refusal to submit to the laws that infringe on our lives as a group.
and more....
see: http://www.geocities.com/kk_abacus/kk...INSUR.html
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: biofilo on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 05:09 PM UTC
Hm... regarding whether CrimethInc. is an insurrectionist project, I'd say many insurrectionists would argue that it's not. As for the article you're referencing, I'm not sure you "got it," exactly--it was a critique of some contemporary currents in US insurrectionist thought, though from the angle of wanting anarchist insurrections to happen. To quote:

"If we have never called ourselves insurrectionists, it is not because we do not wish for insurrection, but because our own temperament predisposes us to an anarchism without adjectives. The important thing is to fight for freedom and against hierarchy; we imagine that this will demand different approaches in different situations, and that these approaches may need one another to succeed. We are anarcho-syndicalists on the shop floor, green anarchists in the woods, social anarchists in our communities, individualists when you catch us alone, anarcho-communists when there’s something to share, insurrectionists when we strike a blow."

This kind of feel-good ecumenical attitude is anathema to a lot of insurrectionists.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 07:21 PM UTC
since when do other insurrectionists get to decide who is an insurrectionist?

i think crimethinc has promoted lots of IA ideas, if not having ever used the label directly....
there are ecumenical insurrectionary anarchists out there. hi.

politics is not a banana and murder of crows ain't representative of all IAs, just the sub-cultural clique that promotes IA the most because it is an idenity and not just something that is shown in their praxis.

i got the article. it was good. it needed to be said. the most vocal IA proponents have been going a bit off the deep end sometimes.

we have to remember that social war starts with the SOCIAL, and anything that isn't isn't very helpful for getting where we want to go.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: alta fuoco on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 12:54 AM UTC
"politics is not a banana and murder of crows ain't representative of all IAs, just the sub-cultural clique that promotes IA the most because it is an idenity [sic] and not just something that is shown in their praxis."

Au Contraire. Politics is Not a Banana and Murder of Crows are a pure representation of the oscillation in form and content of insurrectional practices (including thought, and the use of Adobe programs) in the US.

"we have to remember that social war starts with the SOCIAL, and anything that isn't isn't very helpful for getting where we want to go."

This reflects a certain confusion about social war--something I fear I may have contributed to as well. What distinguishes social war from other frameworks of "the political," or of revolution is that while it may start with the social, the conclusion of social war is the negation of the social as such. The social refers to "society", a construct which draws a lineage from the greek "polis" (the city, or community where Man, an essentially political being, takes place) and modern the state. Society is bankrupt and today only refers to the husk of what the social meant. It's a false unity, whose adhesion is marked by blood, territory, and biological exclusion. A revolutionary discourse whose purpose would be parallel with the concept of "the social" could only conclude in forming a state and an apparatus of policing.

Social war might be best termed "social/war." It is a framework for the political as the continuation of war by other means. Insurrection, who has no author, but which comes, is the methodology of such a framework. There is no anarchist society or communist society; there is civil war--the potential violence and care, friendship and enmity, different polarizations between different forms of life--which society masks, and which capitalism commodifies. Civil war can be elaborated to reveal these intensities, locating forms of life within civil war as a party (or partisan war machine, if you will) and new practices and terms of engagement can be imposed. I believe it is in such an elaboration that social/war is realized and through which the fiction of society falls apart.

Of course this "topic" will not end once we begin examining it, but I think its important to correct misunderstandings of what social war is--especially, as others noted, because even insurrectionists seems to be confused (even when they strike a blow) about what describes social war.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: crudo on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 11:56 PM UTC
"If we have never called ourselves insurrectionists, it is not because we do not wish for insurrection, but because our own temperament predisposes us to an anarchism without adjectives. The important thing is to fight for freedom and against hierarchy; we imagine that this will demand different approaches in different situations, and that these approaches may need one another to succeed. We are anarcho-syndicalists on the shop floor, green anarchists in the woods, social anarchists in our communities, individualists when you catch us alone, anarcho-communists when there’s something to share, insurrectionists when we strike a blow."

A problem with line of thought though is that we can't be insurrectionaries when we are at work? Being an anarcho syndicalist means that you believe in a set of organizational principles that conflict (generally) with insurrectionalism. Just cause you take action at work, form groups, go on wildcat strike, and occupy things, doesn't mean that you are in conflict to insurrectionalism, in fact, you are in conflict with most syndicalist ideology.

Again with all the other stuff. People forget, IA is a set of ideas on how to organize ourselves in order to maximize power. Whether you're in the woods or talking to your co-workers.

---
where the proles where the proles where the proles at?
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: biofilo on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 01:34 AM UTC
Crudo--That's actually a really important thing to point out, and a really beautiful thought. The quoted paragraph is just using a rhetorical device to get the thought across--it could (and should!) as easily read "We are green insurrectionists when we sabotage our workplaces," etc.

You're right that in its present form, it obscures the fact that all these theories are not only responses to particular conditions, but broad-based proposals for how to act in all situations. I guess it's just important for proponents who prefer some of the theories over others to remember that all of them are coming out of specific constructs. You really can't understand turn-of-the-century primitivism in your bones without living in a tree sit for several months, etc. Similarly, all the insurrectionist stuff about rupture can sound like hogwash until you experience a moment when everything is seriously up for grabs.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: Dead End on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 01:57 AM UTC
"Just cause you take action at work, form groups, go on wildcat strike, and occupy things, doesn't mean that you are in conflict to insurrectionalism, in fact, you are in conflict with most syndicalist ideology."

lol, since when are wildcats, occupations, forming groups, and workplace action against anarcho-syndicalism? That's one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on Infoshop comment sections. Dare I ask what this statement is based on?
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 04:17 PM UTC
apopka, i really disagree with you that "nothing happened" in PGH.

anarchists, and i am guilty of this too, seem to take anything short of a complete revolution to be a failure. but that is clearly not the case.
to take an exaggerated example, one could say that the spanish civil war was "a failure" because the fascists ultimately won. but this is the wrong perspective to have on anarchist struggle. i prefer to look at it as the anarchists having won for almost 3 years. your perspective leads one to the inevitable logical conclusion that everything is a failure because ultimately the human species will go extinct.
i prefer to look at victory or failure in the times in which the actions occurred. therefore the spainish civil war was a victory for 3 years. just as every squat is a victory for however long it is occupied. you have to change your thinking about victory and failure.

so, with that said, i see PGH as a victory because it created and held space (TAZs) outside of the control of the police while the events were occurring.
and even beyond that concrete victory, we have to realize that the titans of capitalism are going to be very forthcoming about their defeats: the policies they change as a result of pressure from these protest groups, the NGOs they let in to have a voice and push policies in a less harmful direction, etc....
they are never going to say that these types of actions are a direct result of the fact that there are angry mobs on the streets, but the rhetoric, policies, and engagement with NGOs by groups like the WTO, IMF, and World Bank has changed considerably since the beginning of the anti-globalization movement.

your perspective, which is the perspective that the state wants us to hold, would say that the big anti-war marches did "nothing" and the pull out from Iraq had nothing to do with the popular opposition to the war, but i don't think that's true, even though the links are not concrete or easily identifiable (which i think is the state's way of making it feel like we have no effect).

without angry mobs in the streets, who knows how much more destructive the policies of the WTO, IMF or Iraq War would be right now. but i do think those institutions would be worse if PGH-style actions were not happening.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 04:21 PM UTC
sorry, "...the titans of capitalism are going to be very forthcoming about their defeats..."

should say:
"...the titans of capitalism are *NOT* going to be very forthcoming about their defeats..."
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 06:20 PM UTC
Wow, that was the most intelligent comment I've seen on this website in a long time.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 06:25 PM UTC
I'd like to tack on something I wrote a couple weeks ago so the message doesnt get lost in oblivion like so many other internet posts. Here it is below:

The US anarchist movement is so steeped in self-criticism and negativity that many of us cannot recognize success when it happens. The G20 actions in Pittsburgh last week were the most successful mass mobilization here in years but it is not being recognized as such by many within the movement. We are constantly hearing about what we did wrong and almost never hearing about what we did right. The anarchist movement will fizzle out if this negativity keeps going. Negative thinking has blinded some of us from seeing the truth.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 12:44 AM UTC
in the immortal words of Ignite:
"I'm bored with all this negativity"

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Authored by: terracide on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 01:19 AM UTC
Lets be happy with our victories, understand them, and move on and figure out where we can build our power and break down the system.

In the end, were all gonna die - we should still hope to build something beautiful in our life times. If we fail then were dead.

CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: totalxliberation on Tuesday, October 20 2009 @ 12:36 PM UTC
you know the singer from Ignite is a fascist right?
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Tuesday, October 20 2009 @ 02:54 PM UTC
i had no idea. but it doesn't surprise me because their lyrics are usually really really dumb and/or offensive (anti-criminal, etc...).
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Authored by: tuna-cake on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 02:10 AM UTC
"anarchists, and i am guilty of this too, seem to take anything short of a complete revolution to be a failure. but that is clearly not the case."

The point is not that things are seen as a failure or a success. It's to try look at things clearly if such a thing is possible. One should always be willing to critique anything. I am wary of complete attachment to traditions, events or ideas. I feel like our lack of critique often creates myths and reifications (the Battle of Seattle, the Spanish Civil War, PGH) that get nowhere. To me, the question is whether these moments have just become another ritualized experience within capital. Riots, rebellions, etc have been happening for hundreds of years (often without any kind of formal political purpose) and we still have little to show for it. They are normal all across the world, it seems. Revolt is eternal to life in a way. I mean, cities have been built in certain ways to deal with social unrest.

The question to ask is what agency we really have in "starting" a revolution or if we are just always going to be boring martyrs whose message is just another minority in a sea of others; or if starting one consciously is even possible. Is a revolution that really overturns the world sparked by some kind of political consciousness or is provoked by something different altogether? Are such things are often beyond us, especially in times such as these?

The summit model is really just an excuse to wild out and I see nothing wrong with that. I support wil'n out, but I don't really see the "success" of PGH as anything too exciting to me. And it's really bother some that any kind of criticism is seen written off as coming from the "haters" or some kind of State-apologist. It's not exciting because it doesn't really get the cops out of my life. It doesn't change my economic or material situation very much. It really just seems to create another aura around another event, that helps created a self-fulfilling story: we were successful because we felt powerful for a minute and now we are going to grow or something. Let's talk about it and mythologize it to make people see how powerful we supposedly were?

It's curious: this doesn't get me closer to my neighbors who tried to rob my house not too long ago; Should I tell them about how successful PGH was or how they should believe in the anarchist cause? Pretty lame. Such delusions forget that me and my neighbors all have so many barriers to be crossed (imposed racial separation or perceived class difference, etc)--ones that are often impossible to break, at least as long as the struggle to get money continues to rule our lives. Maybe we might come together when something provokes both of us? But such things are out of my control. Summits might bring us together in such a way, but then they end and I go home to the same stinking place.

I am very interested in moments where the state and capital lose control (i.e. insurrection) of its grips, where such ways of relating unravel for a minute, but I'm not sure any conscious movement can even spark that.

"and even beyond that concrete victory, we have to realize that the titans of capitalism are not going to be very forthcoming about their defeats: the policies they change as a result of pressure from these protest groups, the NGOs they let in to have a voice and push policies in a less harmful direction, etc...."

Sure, it makes sense not to be forthcoming about ones defeats, but, ones defeats can be detourned and recuperated by the State and by capitalism.

I mean all of this with the utmost sincerity and not meant to be a troll or whatever.
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Authored by: biofilo on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 03:34 AM UTC
Tuna-Cake--

Summit mobilizations probably won't change things between you and your neighbors (especially if you don't live in the city hosting them)--that's why anarchists (including those who acted in Pittsburgh!) engage in and promote other forms of activity that are more suited to that particular issue.

But for real, just because they may not help with that doesn't mean they're useless. From reading your post, it seems like you still have to come to terms with the gravity of our situation and how much we're up against. Just about any individual effort is not going to accomplish much more than a tiny step forward in an incremental program. Being an anarchist revolutionary is a lifelong project.

I think Pittsburgh might be one of those tiny steps, though. Let's shake off all this abstract back-and-forth about whether summit protests will save the world, and focus on the question implied in the above analysis: Is it possible, or for that matter worthwhile, that anarchists could come to be integral in shaping the character of "protest" in the US? Because if the G20 mobilization was a step towards that, it could be really important. What if, next time people were really angry about something, anarchists were positioned to take the lead in providing options for serious, militant resistance? Can you imagine if the anti-war movement had been largely coordinated by anarchist structures, rather than liberal and authoritarian socialist structures?

Even then, it wouldn't save the world--it might not even change shit between you and your neighbors. But it could be a step towards a widespread revolutionary current. We have a long way to go, but don't criticize each tiny step for not being the whole journey.
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Authored by: lettersjournal on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 10:00 PM UTC
Small steps, small steps. There is a chasm in front of us. Tiny steps, tiny steps. We are already falling. Small steps, small steps. Oh Sisyphus, that boulder has been here quite a while. (Is this a chasm or a hill, an ocean or a sky? Mixed metaphors will be the death of us all.)

Whether you and what you do has been recuperated is hard to say. It is more a case that fragments of what you do will continue to have relevance and others will not... the essential point is that relevance is decided at a higher level than at that in which individual activity, motivations and so on, appear.

Then again, the concept of recuperation implies the possibility of an effectiveness (and affectiveness) that probably does not exist.
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Authored by: lettersjournal on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 10:21 PM UTC
<em>What if, next time people were really angry about something, anarchists were positioned to take the lead in providing options for serious, militant resistance?</em>
<p>Feeling generous, I would say that anarchists - by definition - cannot take the lead, just as they cannot be normal or powerful. I do not understand anarchist preoccupation with success and leadership. 'We' are the schlemiels of history; we are not knights. Whenever 'we' attain that leadership, success, and power, well, that's the end of 'we'.

Tiny steps, small steps.
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Authored by: tuna-cake on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 03:27 AM UTC
"Summit mobilizations probably won't change things between you and your neighbors (especially if you don't live in the city hosting them)--that's why anarchists (including those who acted in Pittsburgh!) engage in and promote other forms of activity that are more suited to that particular issue."

I don't think anarchist organizing will change my ability to have different relations, because that's really not my end. I don't see how being an anarchist has anything to with how I relate to others. The fact that me and my neighbors are not able to get along as of now is not some kind of "issue" to be worked on in any political sense. It's the fact of our daily lives under capitalism and all the social relations that it creates. We fight each other to get by. I am not in the position to go up to them and tell them to stop or partake in some "alternative living" situation involving infoshops, accountability processes, community gardens, and black blocs. Or tell them that broke on broke crime is "mean."

Really, I have no feelings of importance because I have anarchist tendencies. I feel pretty sure that I am only a minority amongst others and will always be (even if I start patronizing the proles or something). Fine. Most people I know have no idea about Greece or PGH. Most people I know aren't talking about what happened at G20.

"But for real, just because they may not help with that doesn't mean they're useless. From reading your post, it seems like you still have to come to terms with the gravity of our situation and how much we're up against. Just about any individual effort is not going to accomplish much more than a tiny step forward in an incremental program. Being an anarchist revolutionary is a lifelong project."

Huh? I feel you might need to come to terms with the "gravity of our situation." I'm not even sure what that means. That's such a heavy statement to make and assumes much.

Maybe our goals/understanding are/is different. I do not think "revolution" will come about because of some intentional steps we take towards it or whatever. I am only do what I do because I'd rather not give in. But we are not in direct control of the world as individuals or groups. I do not will insurrections, they often will me and transform me. Such things happen independent of this, it seems. My relations, my lovers, the ruptures I partake in are often independent of my subjective desires. They are often provoked. It's like having to paying rent or risk getting evicted--there is provocation behind that. How I chose to react in such a situation is another story.
Look at the past riots/rebellions in history. They often have little to do with any kind of pre-revolutionary organizing, though that might contribute. If anything, politics co-opt rebellions by defining them before, during and after them..

I think it's exciting to prepare in some odd way, to intervene in some way when such things happen, but I am not interested in defining some kind of project of revolution. Or even wait for it. This beyond me and any grouping. I feel you're fucked from the start when you try this. I have no reason to partake in some kind of incremental program (waht does that mean? it sounds very abstract. Do we just accumulate bodies and experience and then wah-lah: revolution? what?)....that just sounds transcendental and I'd rather not have my life controlled by that.

Don't get me wrong, I want to make my desires contagious and spread the fury, but I haven't any desire to wrap it up all nice and neat to try and appeal or recruit people.

"I think Pittsburgh might be one of those tiny steps, though. Let's shake off all this abstract back-and-forth about whether summit protests will save the world, and focus on the question implied in the above analysis: Is it possible, or for that matter worthwhile, that anarchists could come to be integral in shaping the character of "protest" in the US? Because if the G20 mobilization was a step towards that, it could be really important. What if, next time people were really angry about something, anarchists were positioned to take the lead in providing options for serious, militant resistance? Can you imagine if the anti-war movement had been largely coordinated by anarchist structures, rather than liberal and authoritarian socialist structures?"

Why do we want to lead protests? I want to depoliticise them. To make a mockery of them, to get rid of the slave morality that they often perpetuate.


"Even then, it wouldn't save the world--it might not even change shit between you and your neighbors. But it could be a step towards a widespread revolutionary current. We have a long way to go, but don't criticize each tiny step for not being the whole journey."

I am criticizing the idea that we are some how on some revolutionary path. This is a subjective desire, one that is often backed by hot air, instead of some semi-objective understanding of the world. The question is not whether summit protests do or don't save the world. That's just another exaggeration. I am not interested in saving a world. I am interested in fucking up the current state of things and understanding my power to do so. I am not interested in more ritualized rallies (protests) that spectacularize breaking shit. People break shit every day. Some how it's significant when the anarchist subjectivity does it at a protest? Is this some weird "propaganda by the deed" that people are espousing? Once again, summit protests to me are just excuses to break shit and meet new and old friends and I have nothing really wrong with that (and possibly get arrested); I just see nothing more to it.
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Authored by: engine summer on Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 02:14 PM UTC
i agree with the person who said we need to look at things clearly instead of jamming them into dichotomies of "success/failure".

i was interested to hear what usefully came out of this, and all i am seeing is a bunch of delusional and overheated rhetoric about how the black bloc "devastated", "destroyed" "wiped off the map" the university shopping district and exploitative institutions. much of the insurrectionary trajectory of development of anarchist momentum is with reference to europe, but it seems at times that this is less about actually learning from those scenarios and applying them realistically here than about play acting the glorious images that show us what we don't or can't have. a fucking spectacle. we start using fancy words and we imagine we've made steps forward in understanding. we break a couple windows and all of a sudden we've devastated capitalism. i don't think i have ever read any european black bloc texts that were so pathetically deluded. not that i think europe is necessarily a model to follow.

i can believe that there might have been some point to all this, but i'm not sold on it. the disgusting displays of absurd self importance are covering everything else up.
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Authored by: intifada-oner on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 05:06 PM UTC
I keep breaking my promise to myself to stop commenting on bloody message boards but, somehow, someway.....

Approaching summits with a Plan B is NOT a militant logic. What is militaristic was the open plan to confront riot police and make a way into the conference, as it implied a full frontal attack from both sides similar to a Napoleonic war. The default plan of every summit has been to fight like two bourgeoisie armies (of yesteryear, or maybe even aristocratic armies, after Vietnam even bourgeoisie armies no longer do this).

Plan B recognizes that this blatantly militaristic approach to conflict is worthless because
1.A block bloc of skinny vegans cannot take head on riot police, with tanks, guns, and batons.
2.By attacking other parts of the city, where the normal functioning of capitalism operates safely, we actually do create a much sough after interruption of the creation and circulation of value. Furthermore, not even the symbolically, does capitalism reside within the G20 meeting itself.

Clandestinity is in no way militaristic but has been a subversive tool since the first discontents battled the first rulers. Wearing a mask is a form of clandestinity, dressing in black is clandestinity, simply not telling the authorities that you did something or the choice not to get caught intentionally is clandestinity. More so, the Bash Back march was nothing other than a Plan B and was also the most successful action of the day. This is not just because of an over-extended police force but because it set its own time and place.

It should be noted that when the article speaks of “opening up,” as opposed to the “logic of closed circles,” they are actually speaking about democracy – the most repressive formation that destroys any movement against the present state of things. These signifiers have the pungent odour of the sad fact that the only strategy ever proposed by American anarchists is the implicitly Leninist approach to radicalize “liberals.” Sadly, Lenin was one step ahead of us when he wrote “What is to be Done,” because at least he had a planned for what to do after this unnecessary and futile radicalization (ie. create the soviet union). Also what is rather pitiful is this plan for democratization dismisses the world outside of the protest and if liberals are our only revolutionary subject -which this article implies- then we are in a very horrible state.

The death of american anarchist Leninism will only arise from understanding that
"ideas spring from deeds and not the other way around." - Pisacane

Recognizing that the American city, and any city for that matter, is a social factory and its normal functioning ensures the reign of commodity logic and that the metropolis is ripe with contradictions to be exacerbated ought to influence any plan to intervene in anything whether summit or not. Thus, instead of protesting (a political exercise at its most disgusting), subversion and sabotage of the metropolis ought to shape the course of action. The bourgeoisie would be perfectly fine with “a return of militant protest” as it would maintain a democratic standpoint and the dialectic between liberal and militant but what would actually threaten its existence is the spreading of recalcitrant practices to everyday life in the city. Hence, the democratic fantasy of inclusion ought to be replaced by the spreading and generalization of subversion.

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Revolution will be, among other things, an aspirin as large as the sun.

CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 06:19 PM UTC
"I keep breaking my promise to myself to stop commenting on bloody message boards but, somehow, someway....."
me too, but god dam, this comment is so wrong-headed.

"Approaching summits with a Plan B is NOT a militant logic. What is militaristic was the open plan to confront riot police and make a way into the conference, as it implied a full frontal attack from both sides similar to a Napoleonic war. The default plan of every summit has been to fight like two bourgeoisie armies (of yesteryear, or maybe even aristocratic armies, after Vietnam even bourgeoisie armies no longer do this)."
you can CHOOSE to view either of those 2 plans as military strategies or not.... you can look at the military implications of each plan, but you'd only do that if a military objective was your goal... and since we'd all be dead in 5 minutes if we tried to carry out a military war right now, i don't think it makes sense to look at either in terms of military strategy, but in terms of social movement strategy instead.

"Plan B recognizes that this blatantly militaristic approach to conflict is worthless because
1.A block bloc of skinny vegans cannot take head on riot police, with tanks, guns, and batons.
2.By attacking other parts of the city, where the normal functioning of capitalism operates safely, we actually do create a much sough after interruption of the creation and circulation of value. Furthermore, not even the symbolically, does capitalism reside within the G20 meeting itself."
again, you can choose to view either in military terms or not, depending on your goals. in response to #1, a black bloc of skinny vegans DID do that, which makes it all the more inspiring to me. as for #2, protests (and even the threats of them that forced the barricade around downtown) definitely disrupt the "creation and circulation of value," just as in the past general strikes did this with barricades in the streets, as well as in Oaxaca. whether capitalism "resides" in the G20 or not is a larger debate.........

"Clandestinity is in no way militaristic but has been a subversive tool since the first discontents battled the first rulers. Wearing a mask is a form of clandestinity, dressing in black is clandestinity, simply not telling the authorities that you did something or the choice not to get caught intentionally is clandestinity. More so, the Bash Back march was nothing other than a Plan B and was also the most successful action of the day. This is not just because of an over-extended police force but because it set its own time and place."

again, everything can be viewed in militaristic terms (i.e.- doing nothing can be seen as "waiting for the right time to start the war" etc.......). clandestinity can have many objectives. it is a tool, as you say, it has no intentionality, the intentions are given by the reason for using the tool. the Plan B action can not be judged as successful or not without placing it in the context of all the actions that day. without the big march and street confrontations, the Plan B would have garnered little attention other than local news (see: SF mayday). the reason it appears to be a success was because of everything surrounding it creating a social movement context that gives the actions more value than they have on their own.

"It should be noted that when the article speaks of “opening up,” as opposed to the “logic of closed circles,” they are actually speaking about democracy – the most repressive formation that destroys any movement against the present state of things."
actually, i think of a SOCIAL war/movement versus a GUERILLA war, not democracy. strawman!

"These signifiers have the pungent odour of the sad fact that the only strategy ever proposed by American anarchists is the implicitly Leninist approach to radicalize “liberals.” "
i think many people go to summits and coalition marches with objectives other than radicalizing liberals. jeez....

"The death of american anarchist Leninism will only arise from understanding that
"ideas spring from deeds and not the other way around." - Pisacane"
how do people make deeds without ideas? that seems impossible. if you are talking about proletarian crime and un-self-conscious acts to change ones immediate situation without knowing what created the situation (like a homeless person squatting just b/c they need somewhere to stay), i think anarchists generally support that stuff, but just want to sxpand it socially to be a collective resistance that can begin to create spaces that are not controlled by the state/capitalism...


"Recognizing that the American city, and any city for that matter, is a social factory and its normal functioning ensures the reign of commodity logic and that the metropolis is ripe with contradictions to be exacerbated ought to influence any plan to intervene in anything whether summit or not."

i agree about that. i remember a G7 protest in ottawa where during the march people seized a few squats along the way, that was cool.....

"Thus, instead of protesting (a political exercise at its most disgusting), subversion and sabotage of the metropolis ought to shape the course of action."

i bet the march costed more $$$ (police, closed businesses and commercial areas, workers told to stay home, etc...) than the property destruction by Bash Back did. though without marches in the past including property destruction, many of those costs would not have happened. so once again the actions themselves are not easily separable from their contexts.

"The bourgeoisie would be perfectly fine with “a return of militant protest” as it would maintain a democratic standpoint and the dialectic between liberal and militant but what would actually threaten its existence is the spreading of recalcitrant practices to everyday life in the city. Hence, the democratic fantasy of inclusion ought to be replaced by the spreading and generalization of subversion."
inclusion should be replaced by spreading and generalization........hmmm.....how do you think those things happen? through inclusion. don't leave the social movement behind. don't fall into the same trap that SDS/Weathermen did in the 1960s. push the edges of militancy and broaden the critique, yes, but don't forget about the SOCIAL in social war. otherwise we will just end up having to support a bunch of political prisoners instead of creating a social movement/war.

CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: intifada-oner on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 06:35 PM UTC
And now the reason why I promise myself never to participate in message board discussions flashes before me for the 10 millionth time. Simply because its not worth ever discussing anything with you and your kind. We have different aims and goals, and therefore different approaches and strategies. Everything about you and anyone who thinks like you fills me with the most violent hostility. You are from a different world, a world where sadly political understanding is still trapped in a sds/weatherman binary, I intend to annihilate both options, it is your very world I wish to completely and totally eradicate. Our differences will never be settled through debate but only through civil war, I won't argue further what side you have chosen for yourself. Well maybe, I will give your kind a hint when the torture chambers are finished being built.

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Revolution will be, among other things, an aspirin as large as the sun.
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 07:15 PM UTC
be sure to let everyone know you don't want any political prisoner support when you go to jail too.
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Authored by: Eyedea on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 08:03 PM UTC
"i bet the march costed more $$$ (police, closed businesses and commercial areas, workers told to stay home, etc...) than the property destruction by Bash Back did."

If you're talking about the BB attack against HRC, I would say the BB action was much better than the summit protests at PGH. Minimal property destruction and public displays of opinionated minds will not mitigate - never mind subvert - value production, proletarianization, profit-motives, class relations, or the commodity fetish (etc). Putting a dent in peoples pockets is not an attack on capital. Most monetary exchange is computerized and immaterial anyway. Making people lose money will not even temporally subvert the competitive relations spurred on by value production and profit accumulation. In fact, it will simply inflame it and legitimize the relation itself (people lose money, they'll want to make more to make up for lost quotas, assets and opportunities). Attacking a left-wing institution actively attempting to legitimize homosexuality on the terms of liberal democracy's universalism and introduce homosexuality as a viable outlet for commodification, as well as presenting the homosexual population as proponents of proletarianization is a hell of a lot more tenable. BB defeats itself with it's own activist intentions. Being anti-assimilationist and a supporter of populist inclusivity and democracy is entirely contradictory. Democratic forms of organization can be useful in labor disputes, but not really anything more. Democracy is the junction where differences and conflict are suppressed. It is a purely homogenizing organizational form. Anti-assimilationist practice is predicated on conflict over difference. The Italian feminists who proclaimed secession from the Family and the Father, as far as I know, did not critique their enemies on the basis that they weren't 'democratic' or 'inclusive'.

Political inclusivity, in my experience, is usually only a populist ploy. It's an excuse to pander to the crowds. How is a radical queer group going to pander to the crowds? Why would they even want to? Anyways...

BB will fail. It will fail because it is too concerned with movement building and the transmission of ideology to the general population. The summit protests at PGH, presumably, had no propagandistic effects either. The virtues of the working class will not be stirred by some pissed off protesters -- the proletariat is without virtue. The demands of protesters will not be conceded to by the state -- the state does not confess to it's nature; people confess to the state. And it certainly won't negotiate it's activity!

Summit protests are ready-made arenas of violence and disorder. It is expected and, always, properly suppressed. All protests are dead time. They're better for cutting hours off your day then anything else. Their purpose is to either raise consciousness among the non-radical population or provoke protesters into martyrdom (the communicability of ideas is subject to the solvent of mass society; at most, only a few people will ever take the time to hear you out and get close to you -- you have to make the most of those few; and a few will not make capitalism falter unless they're in the perfect time and place). Emile Henry didn't bomb cafes and write poetry for the revolution. He did it for retribution. There was no propaganda in his deeds. He had the courage to run away -- not the stupidity to walk up to the guillotine with a solemn righteousness. The same cannot be said for those who walk into lines of police to get that perfect "this is a police state" picture...
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 10:16 PM UTC
"i bet the march costed more $$$ (police, closed businesses and commercial areas, workers told to stay home, etc...) than the property destruction by Bash Back did."

"If you're talking about the BB attack against HRC"
well, since these comments are part of a story about the G20, i thought it'd be obvious i was talking about the BB march during the G20.

"presenting the homosexual population as proponents of proletarianization"
WTF? proletarianization? are you serious? you either grow up and remain working class/prole or your not. it's not something you can become.

"Anti-assimilationist practice is predicated on conflict over difference. The Italian feminists who proclaimed secession from the Family and the Father, as far as I know, did not critique their enemies on the basis that they weren't 'democratic' or 'inclusive'."

are you against consensus? or against democracy/majority rule? because they are not the same thing, and anarchists aren't pro-democracy in the sense of majority rule, although some try to reclaim the term to mean direct democracy....

"The virtues of the working class will not be stirred by some pissed off protesters -- the proletariat is without virtue."
did you ever think about the fact that most of the "protestors" ARE working class? protester and proletariat are not mutually exclusive. you could call prole protesters people who figured out how they are getting fucked over and are trying to do something about it. what i'm wondering at this point is why you care at all though since you seem to be anti-political.
and P.S.-working class people generally hold to virtue more tightly than the middle class because we are trying to prove that we are middle class and not the scumbags this society tell us we are all the time. you must not know many working class people............

"And it [the state] certainly won't negotiate it's activity!"
the state is an outcome of the growth of capitalism. that is what gave rise to the nation-state. if the state did not negotiate its activity we'd have fascism. the state negotiates its activity to the point at which it can keep it's population under its control. the state exists precisely to negotiate between people and capitalism. without the state, people would not stand for capitalism at all, i think.

"Their purpose is to either raise consciousness among the non-radical population or provoke protesters into martyrdom"
first of all, martyrdom? really? you are extolling Emile Henry and vandalism attacks by BB against the HRC while saying people are going to be martyrs from protesting? what about all the people who get arrested smashing shit up at night?
and secondly, further purposes of summits include seeing a visible presence of anarchists in the streets (both for anarchists who spend their days in small groups of anarchists and feel like there isn't many anarchists out there AND for kids who are into anarchism but not organized with other anarchists so that they can see others are out there), people being able to talk to anarchists and see what we're about, show how much more powerful it is to be an anarchist than a liberal and show our prole bretheren that their are activists who aren't whiny liberals and will stand up for themselves against the police (the question going through everyone's head is always "why are those hippies just LETTING the cops kick their ass?"), and it also forces tons of cops to go to the march, thereby perhaps allowing criminals to get away with something they'd otherwise have been caught for. it also costs the P.D. lots of money to police these events so heavily.

"Emile Henry didn't bomb cafes and write poetry for the revolution. He did it for retribution."
then why are you worried about posting comments on an anarchist website. go! go fight society all alone. have fun. don't bother writing.

"The same cannot be said for those who walk into lines of police to get that perfect "this is a police state" picture..."
we both know that's not why anarchists do that. they are trying to get to the conference to kick the asses of the people who make decisions that effect our lives. the cops are just in the way.
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Authored by: Eyedea on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 11:50 PM UTC
You don't 'become' proletarian? I didn't realize the proletarian condition was predicated on some objective - this is to say, independent of human subjectivity and relations - factor. Yes, you do become proletarian. You can become unproletarian as well. Whether by attaining a position in the managerial class(es) or relating to the means of production in a manner that negates abstract value, surplus labor, etc. The proletariat is not an objective condition -- that is exactly the sort of mystification that reproduces the logic that the economy is natural law. If you can't 'become' working class then it only logically follows that you cannot become something else besides a commodity on the labor market. (I can remember reading a wiki page on one of Marx's theories once, and apparently he wrote an example where a capitalist gathered up all his assets - his capital; including his workers - and moved to australia; but when he arrived his workers abandoned him and made off into the wilderness -- in the absence of generalized capitalistic relations, his position as capitalist was irrelevant and his workers knew it, so they abandoned him and their proletarianized life; can't imagine they made it that long, though, as australia was eventually totally colonized by the British)

To explain the statement: the liberal solution to material poverty is to make more jobs. Organizations like HRC actively attempt to advertise queers on the job market, and encourage their inclusion and acceptance in the proletarianized sphere of existence. Me and you both know (hopefully) that work, among other things, is the source of material poverty; we also know that the inclusion and acceptance of queers into the job market requires the debasement of their subjectivity and individual value to a check list on the demographics of the state apparatus. Inclusion in the sphere of exploited labor will not emancipate queer people. It will only make them tolerable amidst, and tolerant of, the poverty of existence.

I am not 'against' consensus. But I see no value in fetishizing an organizational form. There is nothing revolutionary about democratically organized peoples. Worker coops are predicated on democratic organization and they are completely capitalistic in their function (i.e., they still produce surplus labor -- they're still exploited -- they're still waged, etc). Let's not make the mistake of reducing the anarchist principle of voluntary cooperation to a utilitarian morality where something can only be valid or 'revolutionary' if it benefits everyone. The council communists made the mistake of supposing that democratic delegation in the workplace would properly configure the means by which the working class could abolish itself. It has failed to do so, so far. Worker coops are testament to it's failure.

And yes, I don't doubt that a good portion of the protesters were working class. So? Does that somehow negate my critique? Do not reduce the working class to some homogenized political demographic. I am working class. I'm an unemployed, high school drop out. Most people in our species are subject to a proletarianized existence. The - general - working class will not be stirred by a publicized display of your values. The working class is literally composed of billions of people. Only a few hundred will ever catch onto anarchist ideology in your lifetime. The communicability of an idea is fragile. This is why whispered words lose any semblance of truth after only have passed through a very small amount of ears and mouths. Christianity is the most popular religion on Earth and it has yet to hit a mark above 2.5 billion. What makes you think anarchist values will be any more likely to outdo that? So what if people talk to you and find out what you're about? People exchange ideas and opinions all the time. There's nothing inherently revolutionary about anarchist ideas. If you think differently, then you're simply mystifying yourself -- obscuring the fact that your values, like anyone else's, are entirely baseless and made up. Unless you think there was something a priori that gives anarchist ideas extra-potency in the sphere of social relations and human activity -- like, God.

And by 'power', do you mean self-deluded notions of grandeur or activity that is materially and individually beneficial for myself and others? It would seem anarchist marches don't improve the material conditions of anarchists, and don't benefit people socially (as in, negating the dominant relations of exploitation, mystified social forms (e.g., the commodity fetish; the state's monopolization of violence), and dependency on commodity exchange). Unless choking on tear gas is beneficial...

Although, clearly, people do have fun destroying capitalized material. But I would reckon there are far more safer places to do that than a militarized zone.

"and it also forces tons of cops to go to the march, thereby perhaps allowing criminals to get away with something they'd otherwise have been caught for"

Uhh, and that's a good thing? Nothing particularly radical about general criminality. I'm not making a case for the police, only questioning the fucked logic that, somehow, crime in general is radical or subversive. And of course, you're totally disregarding the fact that cops don't prevent much of anything. Most of the time they find out about crimes -after the fact-. All they do is clean up the mess and point the finger at the person who did it (or didn't do it) so the state can exact retribution. You clearly haven't thought this through. Also, see my denunciation of the notion that putting dents in bourgeois pockets is subversive in my previous comment.

"what about all the people who get arrested smashing shit up at night?"

I didn't realize -unwillingly- getting arrested was martyrdom. Well, I guess we should all just stay home and bake pies then...

This is why you run away. So you don't get caught. Hence, no martyrdom.

"then why are you worried about posting comments on an anarchist website. go! go fight society all alone. have fun. don't bother writing."

...because this isn't 19 century capitalism. My family and I are not starving to death and/or working in deadly conditions in a factory. His actions were born out of desperation -- he didn't even deny that. Also, I don't dehumanize people (like him). Don't be so blasè with your critiques. This is a different epoch that calls for different measures. You can't just declare war on rich people -- clearly you can in rhetoric, but that won't do you much good. Most of the classical anarchists were executed or imprisoned. My point with Emile was that, unlike other anarchists who righteously laid their heads under the blade and proclaimed revolutionary stances, he always ran away and planned to do it again. He didn't walk into a police line to get to the rich folks (what could be the outcome of that besides getting bludgeoned to death?). There are much more clever ways to enact a strategy of attack.

Conflict -- you're doing it wrong.

CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: communitycntrl on Friday, October 16 2009 @ 11:57 AM UTC
i appreciate the maturity of your response... let me make a few points that i was not clear enough about before.

"You don't 'become' proletarian? I didn't realize the proletarian condition was predicated on some objective - this is to say, independent of human subjectivity and relations - factor. Yes, you do become proletarian."
i said you become it by growing up and being it as an adult....what i said was that you can't *consciously* become it, like when you're an adult. but you can *un-become* it as an adult by siding with the owning class and becoming a manager or something.... do you see the distinction? you become a prole by growing up as one. you can't become one later. but you CAN grow up as a prole and become a non-prole later. you are arguing one can become a prole as an adult, i say one can't. that's fine if we disagree about that....

"I can remember reading a wiki page on one of Marx's theories once, and apparently he wrote an example where a capitalist gathered up all his assets - his capital; including his workers - and moved to australia; but when he arrived his workers abandoned him and made off into the wilderness -- in the absence of generalized capitalistic relations, his position as capitalist was irrelevant and his workers knew it, so they abandoned him and their proletarianized life"
exactly. that is why the state arose, to use force to dispossess people of the means to survive outside of bowing down to capitalist relations, to perpetuate capitalism.

"HRC"
i liked your criticism of the HRC. that's never been what i have been talking about though...the comments so far have been about the G20 actions.

"I am not 'against' consensus. But I see no value in fetishizing an organizational form."
i agree. i only use it when the group i am in gets large enough to be unwieldy without it.

"There is nothing revolutionary about democratically organized peoples. Worker coops are predicated on democratic organization and they are completely capitalistic in their function (i.e., they still produce surplus labor -- they're still exploited -- they're still waged, etc). Let's not make the mistake of reducing the anarchist principle of voluntary cooperation to a utilitarian morality where something can only be valid or 'revolutionary' if it benefits everyone. The council communists made the mistake of supposing that democratic delegation in the workplace would properly configure the means by which the working class could abolish itself. It has failed to do so, so far. Worker coops are testament to it's failure."
this is a good point, and it relates to the problem of Scale in anarchist ideas. say you have an anarchist space, like a worker co-op, or even a city, say....that commune will still have to relate with the outside world, and it will do so in capitalist ways, because the outside world is outside the realm of communization (just like one tribe relating with another tribe: within itself it is communist, but with others it is capitalist). i think this is what led to the notion of a global revolution being necessary, to extend the commune to the entire world so that there is no "outside" to relate to in that way. the problem, of course, is that will never happen. the alternative is to fight for autonomous spaces within which anarchist social relations take place, and to try and make those zones as self-sufficient as possible so they only interact with the outside as little as possible in capitalist terms. or, autonomous zones can refuse to act in capitalist ways with the outside, and perhaps thereby expand itself as people outside appreciate that and become part of it, but it could also kill itself by allowing capitalist areas to act out the logic of conquest inherent in capitalism to eventually conquer the commune zone....
the problem of scale is definitely a serious one.

"And yes, I don't doubt that a good portion of the protesters were working class. So? Does that somehow negate my critique?"
yes, because you said the proletarian is without virtue and isn't political.

"Do not reduce the working class to some homogenized political demographic."
again, your the one who said the working class was non-political and without virtue, not me. i said working class people can be that, but can also be virtuous and/or political and/or protesters.

"chrisitanity, lots of people, etc..."
i agree, this relates to the problem of scale.

"And by 'power', do you mean self-deluded notions of grandeur or activity that is materially and individually beneficial for myself and others?"
i mean the latter, obviously.

"It would seem anarchist marches don't improve the material conditions of anarchists, and don't benefit people socially (as in, negating the dominant relations of exploitation, mystified social forms (e.g., the commodity fetish; the state's monopolization of violence), and dependency on commodity exchange)."
the state will never tell you the successful results of your demands upon it. the WTO doesn't come out and say that 20 US manufacturing plants will now not close (or the common-held farmland in a third world country will not be forced to be privatized) because the trade negotiations were disrupted. so i think that actions that appear mainly symbolic can have wider-reaching impacts than we realize toward our own material condition.
as to whether they benefit people socially: they provide a place to use large-scale non-hierarchical decision making (spokescouncils), they break the state's claim to having total control and a monopoly on violence when anarchists fight back, they undermine ideas of private property when it is destroyed (more-so than a nighttime vandalism does because it happens with hundreds of people around who all do nothing to stop it, undermining the concept that everyone agrees that private property must be protected), and if things get looted or given away freely during the march that helps undermine commodity exchange relationships.

"Although, clearly, people do have fun destroying capitalized material. But I would reckon there are far more safer places to do that than a militarized zone."
safer, sure. but that is still a military idea, with the goal being destroying property, outside of any context. the goal of property destruction in the context of an anarchist march is as much to "break the spell" (to paraphrase) as it is to break the actual window itself....

"and it also forces tons of cops to go to the march, thereby perhaps allowing criminals to get away with something they'd otherwise have been caught for"

"Uhh, and that's a good thing? Nothing particularly radical about general criminality. I'm not making a case for the police, only questioning the fucked logic that, somehow, crime in general is radical or subversive."
i am a prison abolitionist, and i think it is always good if people don't get arrested, no matter for what. my good friend was murdered, i still don't want the fucking cops involved though. that doesn't solve anything, it creates more problems in the long term. and i'd rather be killed than have the police exist "to protect me" from that possibility. it's not about whether the crimes are good or bad, its about whether the cops arresting people is good or bad.

"And of course, you're totally disregarding the fact that cops don't prevent much of anything. Most of the time they find out about crimes -after the fact-. All they do is clean up the mess and point the finger at the person who did it (or didn't do it) so the state can exact retribution."
i agree. but what do they do when they aren't doing that? they are stopping and searching people they think look like criminals (young black males mostly) and making arrests for petty shit. they don't just try to figure it out after the fact, they go looking for people they might be able to arrest for something.

"I didn't realize -unwillingly- getting arrested was martyrdom. Well, I guess we should all just stay home and bake pies then...
This is why you run away. So you don't get caught. Hence, no martyrdom."
good in theory, in practice it doesn't always quite work out that way, unfortunately!

"...because this isn't 19 century capitalism. My family and I are not starving to death and/or working in deadly conditions in a factory. His actions were born out of desperation -- he didn't even deny that."
then why do you use him as a positive example if you think it doesn't apply to today?

"You can't just declare war on rich people [today]"
some people do. they usually either end up as free or captured criminals or in a guerilla war.

"He didn't walk into a police line to get to the rich folks (what could be the outcome of that besides getting bludgeoned to death?). There are much more clever ways to enact a strategy of attack."
i think you are still thinking militarily without considering the social necessities of creating the conditions of freedom and communism.

"Conflict -- you're doing it wrong."
maybe. but we're trying. since you say that Emile Henry's tactics are not appropriate for our era, what do you propose?
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: tuna-cake on Thursday, October 15 2009 @ 08:26 PM UTC
intifada-oner:
do you mean torture chambers you build for the supposed "our kind"? Or torture chambers that the "Leninist anarchists" will eventually create? It's not clear. I hope it's not the former.
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: intifada-oner on Friday, October 16 2009 @ 12:16 PM UTC
Yes, you're right, immediately after posting this I recognized that it was unclear. Especially considering the usual pseudo-revolutionary in these times is a pacifist in black and would never consider the use of torture. But anyway, I meant the former, in favour of torture, and I'm sure community_cntrl knew exactly what I meant. Before you get your tighty-whiteys in a bunch, you should realize how well torture can set into motion a debt/guilt circuit within the bourgeoisie social body. This can be easily verified historically when taking into account the contributions of Alphonse Laurencic and the symbolic value of the "Red Terror" within the Spanish Civil War. My point in all this is, that hopefully, the next time the class goes to war, we learn from our mistakes and slaughter the CNT politicians (traitors) along with the priests and fascists.

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CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: tuna-cake on Sunday, October 18 2009 @ 09:34 PM UTC
You are fucking ridiculous..
CrimethInc.: Full Report on the G20 Mobilization
Authored by: smokestack on Friday, October 16 2009 @ 01:04 PM UTC
Do we no longer wish to move against capitalism in all our singularities collectively?
Do we no longer want to or desire our moves against capitalism to be creative?
Do we no longer wish for our moves against capitalism to include the radicalization of everyday life in hopes of creating a counter or dual-power?
Do we no longer fight against becoming a mere spectacle?
Do we the "old" no longer wish to carry on?
Are we comfortable with just deceitfully attempting to recreate another great summit clash?
Are Crimethinc and Crimethinc types at fault of this?

-I say no. They are not to be blamed, we are at fault for leaving Crimethinc one of the only games left. A sad state of affairs. The great summit clashes were part of something much larger and that is where these clashes gathered their strengths.

Also, piggy backing on what someone said about pacifists dressed in black. A very good point indeed! What is the point of self-glorification to the point of not allowing yourself and your bloc to behave in the desired manner? Do people need training or do people need to seriously evaluate what this dress code implies? Or maybe, our hearts are no longer in it and we seem to just be attempting to recreate a clash for the sake of not wanting to let ourselves down....i am left guessing?

By posting report after report is not going to make this event seem more successful that it was. Sure it caught the eye of some news reporters but I doubt it sparked a fever of getting down across the world, though i wish it would because something needs to be done about our lacking in organizing. I am not blaming the participants who countered the g20, my respect goes out to you all for doing something. It just seems that we need to recreate that something and connect it to the everyday struggle again. Make resistance powerful again. Other parts of the world are able to sustain their struggles through down times and still manage to gather in large numbers where need be, why cant we? Other parts of the world have made radicals and radical organizing common place and this resistance exists in the everyday life. why cant we?

Do we need to have some sort of gathering ourselves so that we can speak on what we want to do and then go into our various cliques and do that, through decentralized means but thinking collectively?

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lets build resistance worth romantics.