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Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash

QueerOn September 24th some of the most militant politicized street protests the States have seen in nearly a decade countered the G20 summit in Pittsburgh. Anarchist Queers and Trannies were on the frontlines of this struggle; bringing the numbers, the flare, and the wrecking crews. Radical Queers fought police and did everything they could, with what they had, not to back down. A days worth of tear gas, rubber bullet attacks, and fending off straight-idiot-liberals, set the tone for what would be a night of ravenous Queer revenge. A single march of 200+ Queers, Trannies, Womyn, POC, and some allies bashed the fuck back; causing the most property destruction contained to a single neighborhood in Pittsburgh during the protests. So other Anarchists, why the fuck are you ignoring us? What Happened in Oakland on Thursday Night?

A week prior to the G20 protests Bash Back! Pittsburgh, a radical Trans and Queer Liberation group, called for a Queer Cabaret to be followed by a march through Oakland. Oakland has long been a neighborhood unfriendly to anyone not fitting into the straight-white-male category. By 10pm on the 24th nearly 200 people gathered outside of the Queer Cabaret. The mood was set. There were no illusions. Everyone knew what was about to happen. It seemed that people were unified in their goal to terrorize straighty. Windows were smashed, dumpsters flipped and ignited, a frat boy homophobe and his friends were dealt with properly, and the vast majority of participants left feeling empowered and energized.

However, despite the fact that this march was called for by a local radical queer/trans group, took place immediately following a Queer Cabaret, was executed largely by radical Trans/Queer people and was lead by a banner reading, “Bash Back!” ; most of the reportbacks describing the march include NONE of these important details. In all fairness Crimethinc did state that the march had been, “Bash Back!” themed. Whatever that means. In the documentary, “Democracy 101: Pittsburgh G20 Protests and the Police Occupation of Pitt University,” produced by Pittsburgh Indymedia, Chicago Indymedia, Twin Cities Indymedia, and the Glassbead Collective footage of the Radical Queer black bloc was preceded by the sentence, “The protestors dispersed in the late afternoon, but they reconvened later in the evening.” This makes it seem as if the Radical Queer black bloc later in the night was merely an extension of the People’s Uprising March that took place across town earlier in the day. It was not. We found it even more frustrating that not even a brief mention of the radical Queer/Trans organization that went into the march was included in the documentary. A person from Pittsburgh even went as far as to say that the march was not queer. Does this mean that in order for militant actions to be recognized by the broader Anarchist community as Queer all of the participants have to be laced in sequins and throwing glitter?

This is not an isolated incident!

Radical Queers made up a large number of people putting hours of work into creating a militant showdown at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. People with Bash Back! held multiple consultas in the Midwest and on the East Coast to carve out a radical Queer space in countering the Convention. Bash Back! sent queers to Minneapolis well over a month before the Convention to help with the organizing effort. However, in spokescouncils and personal conversations the Bash Back! action was more often than not labeled as one of the “fluffy” actions, while actions with similar tones were never labeled soft or fluffy. “ Terrorizing Dissent,” a documentary created by Twin Cities Indymedia about the RNC completely ignored the Bash Back! action, which was the first publicly announced blockade in the lead up to the RNC. Footage of the radical Queer blockade never made the final cut. In fact, the action was not discussed or even referenced. However, footage of the Funk the War bloc, a roving dance party called for by Students for a Democratic Society was featured in a nauseatingly long segment. Let us remind you that Radical Queers put over a year into organizing our event and Bash Back! is the ONLY national network that has maintained itself since the failure of the RNC protests.

Another incident that comes to mind is a recent incident involving the arrest of Ariel Attack. Ariel is a Trans/Queer person who has been involved in radical organizing for sometime. Earlier in the year Ariel was picked up by Denver Police and accused of smashing 11 windows out of the Colorado Democratic Party Headquarters. Rather than write their own article, http://AnarchistNews.org reposted an article from an extremely right-wing blog riddled with anti-Trans rhetoric. Although there were literally thousands of other news articles about the sabotage Anarchist News chose to run the disgustingly anti-Trans right wing one. Even after being asked and eventually threatened the mysterious people behind http://AnarchistNews.org refused to replace the article with a better one. They cited Freedom of Speech in defense of their actions. To this all we can say is…Really? Other non-trans radicals went on to question the timing and message of the action. Would anyone of you Cisgendered white dudes be questioning the timing and message of the action if the person arrested for allegedly smashing the windows it was a white male Earth First!er ? Our conclusion is: probably not.


So What the Fuck?

First we were Maoists. Then we were fluffy. Then we were not living up to our militant rhetoric. Now, at best you are ignoring our actions and the massive risks we are taking to carry them out. At worst you are co-opting what we do and rewriting history to claim our struggles as your own.

Are you neglecting to mention what we have done so you can maintain that our actions are Manarchist? It is clearly absurd to call militancy carried out by Womyn, Transfolk, People of Color, and Queers “Manarchist.” Instead, you will just pretend that these actions were taken by straight white dudes.

-OR-

Are you refusing to give Radical Queers credit because you couldn’t give a fuck? Maybe you just don’t care that radical Trans people and Queers are finally, after more than a decade on hiatus, building a culture centered around fighting back.

–OR-

Are you living in a delusion? You are so far from reality that you still hold on to the idea that Queers, Trannies, POC and Womyn are at too high of risk to ever be taking these actions. So you pretend that you, the white-straight person, did the legwork and threw down.

–AND/OR-

You feel, as our self-appointed protector, you must act as if Trannies/Queers haven’t taken these actions in an effort to avoid the state coming down on us.

-OR-

Are you not mentioning our actions because you feel ignorant as fuck when, the actual radicals and actual queers, prove you wrong time and time again? You might feel a bit put off that we are doing more to resist than you ever have and our actions are insanely more effective, fabulous, and daring than yall’s could ever be.

-OR-

When it comes down to it , do you think that we are just a bunch of fags too concerned with identity politics to ever contribute to a broad social upheaval? Even though, as pointed out before, in the last two years Radical Queers have taken the lead in the push for a more direct action oriented resistance.

In Conclusion

It really is a shame that a band of radical Queers, involved with a variety of Anarchist organizing projects for many years, has had to use a public forum to call you all out. But nevertheless we feel we have to. It has become apparent to us that while many of you are our friends you still hold yourself on a higher pedestal because you are straight and we are not. You have mocked us, written us off and criticized us, when frankly you are in no place to do so. We are not trying to create divisions on tactical grounds, excluding our struggle to root out Anarcho- Liberals. Instead we are calling you out on your shit so we can all continue on this path toward insurrection and most importantly liberation. To those of you who will ignore these concerns we impolitely order you to stop breeding like goddamn rabbits and find the nearest cliff to jump from.

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Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: BB! News on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 11:04 AM UTC
First of all this is not written by bash back!.

Second, no where in this article does the writer refer to anyone as a manarchist. The article calls out straight anarchists for refering to queer actions as manarchists. Sou you clearly didnt even read the whole thing. Get it right before you freak the fuck out kid.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Brennus on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 12:41 PM UTC
The idea, according to liberal-as-fuck-shitty-identity-politics, behind having separate spaces for Queer, Black, Female, Tans, Irish, etc. people to organize is that those who are disenfranchised by the white, male, straight political power structure cannot act freely, nor attain power in an organization or space which remains dominated by white, male, straight, moneyed people. The reason APOC doesn't want you at their event, is that you already have your own special event: it's called everyday life. The other reason, is that most of APOC are a bunch of black nationalists who suck donkey balls and are obsessed with identity politics and anti-colonialism in a banally liberal matter, and you probably don't want to hang out with them, and they probably don't want to hang out with you. You could probably go to BashBack events, unless you continued to be a douchebag like you are now, or continue victimizing yourself.

Really, you've got to understand: your ass is part of the enfranchised. You probably shouldn't be complaining to queer or colored people about your situation for being a straight white male. That said, this article is pretty dumb, and you shouldn't take everything it says verbatim. You have to consider where the person is coming from.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: killstraighty on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 05:52 PM UTC
"The other reason, is that most of APOC are a bunch of black nationalists who suck donkey balls and are obsessed with identity politics and anti-colonialism in a banally liberal matter, and you probably don't want to hang out with them, and they probably don't want to hang out with you. You could probably go to BashBack events, unless you continued to be a douchebag like you are now, or continue victimizing yourself."

seriously? i don't particularly want ether of you at bash back! events ever. caricaturing APOC in such a way is fucked up, and treating APOC as less legitimate than bash back! because they don't want white people in spaces that they want to organize in is ridiculous. why do people think that this doesn't apply to bash back! too? just because you don't have to prove your sexuality and gender at the door doesn't mean that we want a bunch of straight people feeling entitled to come into our space....
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Brennus on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 04:58 AM UTC
My message was misconstrued. Let me rephrase it. APOC is full of liberals, and BB! is full of tight people. It has nothing to do with who they do or don't let in. It has entirely to do with their politics. There is a tension to be articulated in being an anarchist person of color. APOC is just one of many attempts at this, and is far from representative of the whole of anarchist people of color. You make a very good point about entitlement, though. I didn't mean to suggest that straight folks should come barging into queer spaces.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: killstraighty on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 05:42 PM UTC
wow, i'm really excited that we've made it to both communist and nazi comparisons already.... anyway, this wasn't written by bash back! as a whole, but i definitely know plenty of us that agree with it.

"Why the hell are there so many isolated special interest groups of anarchists anyhow...fuck.... i'm not welcome at APOC gatherings or Bash Back events now apparently...but they can all come to my events...thats really fucked...who started this shit?... this version of anarchism is not anarchism. the end result is just isolated groups of white straight male anarchists seperated from everyone else... and then you wonder why we dont understand something..."

"isolated special interest groups" have never been bash back!'s thing and if you knew anything about us, you'd know that. there are allies that come to bashback! events still and there were most likely plenty of straight folks at the g20 action, but yeah, bash back! was fucking created as a radical queer thing and a place for us to wild the fuck out. and if you're going to start having anarchist events that are straight and cis only, please let me know where they are, if you actually have anything to do with chitown i'd be more than happy to pay them a visit. i guess if you don't understand why queer and POC folks want to organize with each other instead of being tokenized and marginalized by ignorant straight people like you. we certainly want to the negation of these roles and identities, but to pretend an act as though these power relations don't matter is idiotic. i don't really care about alienating straight people or losing their respect anyway, because bash back! was created specifically to fight the idea that it's all about people like you, chitownburns.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Juniper11 on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 11:49 AM UTC
People in Pittsburgh at least have not been trying downplay or ignore that it was organized by Bash Back! and included many queers. I haven't seen the video in question but we can certainly mention to some of the local indymedia folks that issue. I know some of them were at the event as participants. I think one of the main reasons for some of what you describe has less to do with it being a BB! action as it does the fact that the police and media here really, really, downplayed the whole thing. It didn't fit into the narrative the police and politicians were trying to sell and it could be ignored because the media didn't bother to send cameras to cover it.

On one point though I will disagree. Not everyone here knew what was going to happen. This action was advertised as non-violent up to the day before. Many locals didn't realize anything was going to happen till the event started. Just stating the obvious: there wasn't a lot of general hype up outside of the circles in the know, so a lot of militants who otherwise might have gone didn't, but that probably helped it be a huge success. Regardless, great action.
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Authored by: Admin on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 12:01 PM UTC

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Authored by: BB! News on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 12:41 PM UTC
Okay so in response to the personal attacks issue...
So....

"Dear FuckFace,

First, whoever wrote this, fuck you..."

and

"...are you that fucking dumb? your logic is no better than the catholic church, or the NSM,"

...Are not personal attacks? We beg to differ.

To Chitownburns:

Personal Attacks aside. We will try to make our original points without them although that may prove to be difficult.

Our points:
-Nowhere in this article do the authors call anyone a Manarchist. In fact, they ask straight anarchists to stop calling Queers and Trannies Manarchists. So what are you talking about?
-Is your first reaction to queers telling their straight friends that they feel as if their straight friends put themselves on a pedestal to say...you're fucking dumb???? If so then we feel that the authors were directing their advice towards people like you.
-Bash Back! and APOC are not isolated interest groups they seek to organize people in their communites in a radical and Anarchist manor. Just like earth first! organizes environmentalists and the IWW organizes starbucks workers.
-There is no Hetero-conspiracy. There is no conspiracy. Heterosexism is fucking real and your kneejerk reaction to this post proves that well.
-Radical Queers would never join Bob Avakian. Once again you seem to know nothing about radical queer history or BB!. If you did you would know the RCPs stance on Queers and that BB! has targeted them in the passed.
-Independent journalists and cameras were at the march aplenty and videos were even on the internet...which is why it is so frustrating that nothing was included in the documentary. Also, Funk the War at the RNC did not have their own army of indy reporters there to solely tag on to their action. Yet TC Indymedia managed to include a ridiculously lengthy portion of the documentary on them and mentioning nothing of the radical Queer presence.
-Queers, Trannies, POC, and Womyn are regularly harassed and assaulted in Oakland. So a gaggle of Trannies, POC, Womyn, and Queers getting together to attack that neighborhood is in a sense terrorizing straighty.

PS
As someone from Chicago, I can tell you that your name is far from the truth or any reality

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Authored by: BB! News on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 12:46 PM UTC
also...

- The article says that this is not meant to cause divisions but instead call people out so that we can continue on our path to insurrection and liberation. If you interpret that as you not being included in Bash Back! then you have recognized that you are a heterosexist and not welcome. We did not say that. You did.
yes, i am a heterophobe.
Authored by: lettersjournal on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 04:03 PM UTC
You ignored that we smashed heterosexism as well as capitalism.

How does one smash a way of thinking (heterosexism) or a global economic system (capitalism)?

yes, i am a heterophobe.
Authored by: Grayson on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 05:07 PM UTC
thanks for addressing the semantics of the word "smash" rather than the issue at hand.

will this be the fourth message i post that is deleted?
yes, i am a heterophobe.
Authored by: lettersjournal on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 06:14 PM UTC
The word "smashed" can be replaced with "destroyed"/"conquered"/"demolished"/"attacked"/etc and what you wrote still does not make sense. While it is not necessarily related to complaining about stupid straight people, your sentence ought to be clarified.

What was the significane of this one-night march? I contend that the actions of these 200 people occurred on a completely different scale than 'heterosexism', and the demand explicitly attached to them here (safer streets for lgbt people) is not anti-systemic at all. It's an extreme way of demanding 'authentic American pluralism' and the queering of capitalism (as is the constant valorization of "deviance" and lgbt identity). Demanding 'equal representation' in protest documentaries is the anarcho-activist equivalent of the HRC lobbying for gay characters on sitcoms.

Who and what gets "called out" is arbitrary and more related to political maneuvering and personal conflict within the milieu than an actual desire to get rid of whatever bad thing is being called out (what gets called out goes in cycles of popularity... the callng out never actually alters behavior). I've been a queer in and around the American anarchist milieu for the last six or seven years, and I can't say that heterosexism is that big of a deal as an 'internal' problem. While there is a fair amount of straight people obliviousness, anarchist mediocrity and anti-intellectualism are much more offensive to me.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Brennus on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 04:52 PM UTC
I was not present in Pittsburgh, so I don't know how much was communicated and to whom about the BashBack! march. What I can say is that from some 3,000 miles away, the two things which stand out the most to me about Pittsburgh were the BashBack! march and the police state at PU. It's true, I don't remember being told about the Queer Cabaret, and it is true that I came away with the impression that perhaps the BB! march and the other anarchist march were probably related, and probably shared participants.

As far as Anarchist News... it's not that mysterious. I'm under the impression that it is quite simple to submit a story to Anarchist News. They probably posted the first one they found. Perhaps there was some interest in reading what a right-wing, anti-trans blogger had to say about a radical queer riot. And Ariel? We know about her here in my small California town. We have placed her in our mental list of imprisoned anarchists. No, she is not at the top, nor do we write about her more than say Eric McDavid, or the Mono Park 2, who are both local to our area, but she is in our hearts and minds.

The options given for those of us who can politically pass for white and straight males are not really all that great, I must say. I don't mean to victimize myself, because I am not a victim here; I do mean to communicate that I think this article was written in haste and with great anger, and that may have not been the best idea. You betray your lesser side. There is something to articulate here, about certain anarchists not propagating information about the preceding events leading up to the BB! riot, or the context in which it took place. This, however, is not it.

BB! is some hot shit. Fuck the haterz.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: RanDomino on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 06:18 PM UTC
Word the fuck up, and mad not-yet-acknowledged props to Bash Back! for being the only folks to tell the Nazis to GTFO in Austin MN last month. Everything I've seen Bash Back! do has been dripping with awesome.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: talia on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 07:09 PM UTC
Damn. Why ya gotta fuck with the breeders? Like moms are in such a position of power in the anarchist movement. Or, you know, anywhere at all.

Other than that, I hear y'all, and the stupid comments here show why this is necessary. Sad all around.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: strangers on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 10:05 PM UTC
In my experience, there are (at least) two ways the word "breeder" is used in radical circles, although both are pejorative:

as used by environmentalists: breeder means someone who has, or is planning, to give birth.

as used by queer culture: heterosexuals (or, those whose breeding is capable of causing someone to get pregnant). Note that trans-inclusive culture is (thankfully) starting to drop this term because it is rude to both straight folks and those in certain kinds of queer relationships that involve trans people.

So... to the author of this piece: please stop using the word "breeder." Anyone outside of queer culture will think you're hating on moms, and anyone in queer culture will realize your dissing on trannies. K thx.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: killstraighty on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 10:50 PM UTC
the author never did use the term "breeder", talia did. they did ask straight anarchists to stop breeding like rabbits, but that term wasn't used.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: talia on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 10:41 AM UTC
"Breeder" is also used as a term of reclamation for radical moms; I was describing myself as such, not accusing the author of doing so.

I still don't think hating on people for having kids is useful; there are queer folks and allies with kids, and plenty of straight assholes without them.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: communitycntrl on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 09:49 PM UTC
I totally agree that BashBack! didn't get the credit they deserved for the fact that it was a queer march against hetero-normativity and the state/capitalist system that supports, uses, and perpetuates it.

Perhaps BB! could have been clearer about that being the objective of the march by putting out a communique afterwards or something.... but the journalists were the ones who dropped the ball on that.

way to go BB. everything y'all do is inspiring as fuck and i am glad to see an alternative queer narative of reality being presented to counter-act the Bullshit rich-gay fuckers.

bash rich gays, bash rich straights. bash back by queer and straight anarchists against heteronormativity that traps both groups in roles we despise.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: strangers on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 10:09 PM UTC
This sucks. Not the callout. What sucks is what happened. It's shitty that people are glossing over the queer nature of the riot.

That said, could you please stop with the "our goal is to find and destroy all anarcho-liberals" stuff? It's not inclusive when you say "we want to be inclusive: everyone should be an insurrectionist."
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: killstraighty on Monday, November 09 2009 @ 10:55 PM UTC
no one talked about destroying anarcho-liberals either. not having liberals co-opt bash back!, yes, but creating a dichotomy between "liberal" and "insurrectionist" (the term in itself is misleading) in this case erases a lot of people. we don't want liberals in bash back!, but we're also not fronting about being "inclusive" in any way. if you don't agree with the points of unity, you can't claim to be bashback! and last time i checked liberals don't agree to said points of unity....
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: capra on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 05:38 AM UTC
JUST WANTED TO COMMENT on one of the last "queer" activist tropes in this piece: "calling out" straight anarchists to "stop breeding like rabbits"

I almost never want to comment on this site anymore, and the rest of the above diatribe deserves its lame-ass activist deconstruction BUT EVEN AS A JOKE the "breeding like rabbits" phrase illustrates the very worst of this frustrating, ridiculous, weak, asinine, self-obsessed activist circus which is made up as much by radical queer "rioters" and so-called insurrectionists as the liberals they love to "call out" but never fail to tacitly support.

Anarchists should be doing little else than adopting orphans and having kids and teaching them how to steal and sabotage in urban youth homes and use weapons and hunt and gather and grow food on rural properties. Anyone who thinks such a course of action is somehow fucked-up or heteronormative or authoritarian or whatever is, as one hero put it, just another inmate on the ship of fools.

No other way around it
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Admin on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 10:01 AM UTC
Amen. I always hate approving angry pieces like this one, because any ensuing discussion is caustic between folks who don't even know each other. The fact that we had to delete several personal attacks between people demonstrates that rhetoric that attacks other radicals is never constructive. This illustrates one of the major dysfunctions of most radical politics these days, especially among the "militants": this confusion about who your enemies are. You would think that any smart queer activist would be focused on challenging the system, not in insulting allies with sophomoric comments about "breeding like rabbits."

Chuck
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: alta fuoco on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 11:48 AM UTC
I guess I have to agree with Letters. How is this demand to be recognized different from other ways in which homosexual practices demand to recognized? Do we want all the sociologists and anthropologists to know that there are cock-suckers and scissor girls who seduce pretty young things into a world with no future who are a fundamental force of anarchism in the US?

I thought the events of Sept 24th were pretty sweet, especially the multiple climaxes in Oakland. However, the reason that those events had such a force, and now impose a collective memory, follow from a queer practice of dis-identification, through performativity rather than a practice of authenticity. The way in which Thursday's events of collective confrontations, wrecking shit, and speed are linked across subjective boundaries is an immediate realization of queer theory's proposition to dissolve the boundaries of identity, and of insurrectional theory's proposition to set the terms for our own confrontations. Thursdays night's events gain so much because, although one could have only gone to that event, the bash back! wil'n out cannot be separated from all the other wild shit that happened that day (including the west coast occupations). On the one hand, this means that because of the space in time in which this explicitly "queer" event occurred it was always open to comrades with hetero practices. On the other hand, this means that even though my friend, who would look so much prettier with his lips wrapped around something thick, would not identify as "queer," he is taken by queer practices. Precisely because his violence occupies a threshold with the violence of the queer "bashing back," and because that violence is relocated out-side of its militant/self-defense dialectic of securitization and machismo, and discovered at the point of cruelty and masochistic pleasure, the "openness" of queer theory is realized. No promises. No demands. No need for recognition
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: BB! News on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 12:00 PM UTC
this is total bullshit. Seriously get down with the insurrection and destroy the ridiculous language that has clouded its practice. The idea that being queer would me the erasure of all identity would only be an end goal of a successful struggle for liberation. Just as race only exists in a racist society, queers only exist in a heterosexist society. NEWS FLASH...we still live in a fucking heterosexist and racist society. This bullshit of everyone is queer is exactly that...bullshit. It is a way for straight people to come into queer circles and actions and claim them as our own. Someone left this comment on BB! News that is right on:

"This negating identity bullshit is starting to get way the fuck out of hand. For real. Insurrection is bad ass but the hip lengo is really overdone. When it comes down to it in the eyes of the oppressor and myself I am a criminal faggot. I am proud to be a criminal faggot. And that night in pittsburgh I was proud to see criminal faggots, dykes, and trannies beat the shit out of that homophobe for talking shit. NO one said shit about adoption rights or marriage. I’m just so fucking sick of straight people saying they are queer because it is the anarchy thing to do and I am sick of straight people pretending like a queer riot…which is what it was…was not a queer riot. So in this case fuck the negation of identity and fuck queers who are pretending like this shit doesn’t matter or shouldn’t be addressed

What makes a riot queer? Well in this case it is the fact that the action was called for by a queer group. AT the Cabaret queers and trannies were instructing people how to riot. At the riot Queers wilded the fuck out. OH and you know screaming, “We’re here, we’re queer, we’re anarchists, we’ll fuck you up!” Is pretty fucking queer too. I don’t want recognition within the Anarchist Community. I just don’t those fuckers acting like they are my ally and then completely writing our struggle off or pretending like shit didn’t happen..."
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: BB! News on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 12:01 PM UTC
should read...."claim them as their own"
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: alta fuoco on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 01:39 PM UTC
"Just as race only exists in a racist society, queers only exist in a heterosexist society."

These two categories of identity and subjectivity cannot, and should not be muddled as anything close to synonymous. Race exists in the US as a particular social construct, with its own history, and linked directly to colonialism and industrialization. Whereas the racial identities of racialized power are deployed beginning somewhere between 1670s-1690s as legal fact, and thus as a technique of governing and separating a population, Queerness on the other hand emerges directly as a reaction, and at the same time immediate cancellation of a separation, however specifically from the governed population against itself. Race, historically in the US suggests a static "blackness," and "whiteness." It develops from colonial thought, which focuses on a "Human" and "Inhuman." Queerness however, suggest a dissolution of static categories, revealing what is always inhuman in the human. There is no adequate comparison, and our attempt to do so seriously limits our possibility of developing an intelligence about both the meaning of racialized power and the meaning hetero-patriarchal power.

Just because both race and sexuality have been policed with a violence which threatens (and produces) death, does not mean we can collapse a queering practice into a fight against racialized power. Nor does it mean we can collapse the specificity which queerness references--the multiple-ass differences--into a static "fag" "dyke" or "tranny" figure.

Queerness if it is to mean anything different, must continue to claim its position in terms of practices, performance and expositions. It is an ethical position--the only thing which keeps it from becoming a mere identity--that it is always open and at the same time imposing. Sorry If "anarchist queers" don't actually understand the implications of queer theory. I mean it sucks, not being able to read which dude a party actually wants my cock, and it sucks that many examples of relationships we have are ones which mirror a hetero-normative couple, but I fear this the only way where not only will people with homo-practices, and queer-genders feel comfortable being able to kick it make friends with other weirdos who want to destroy everything, but also how the anarchist milieus will change because of how they are populated and what practices are imposed and repeated.

"...It is a way for straight people to come into queer circles and actions and claim them as our own."

Yep. But I mean, if straight people wanna play at being queer, could they play themselves into our bedrooms? Or could we play being straight? And claim it as our own.

Someone left this comment on BB! News that is "right on:"

"This negating identity bullshit is starting to get way the fuck out of hand. For real. Insurrection is bad ass but the hip lengo is really overdone. When it comes down to it in the eyes of the oppressor and myself I am a criminal faggot. I am proud to be a criminal faggot. "

This is just weird. Both the category of criminal and the category of faggot are based on practices, which are either public or private. Neither have an essential authentic being which could be referenced. I steal, I jay-walk, I spit in public, therefor I am a criminal...woooo. I suck cock, I wear tight clothes which are sold to every alt.bro now, I read my astrology with dumb friends, therefor I am a faggot...wooo. How is that revolutionary, dude?

"I don’t want recognition within the Anarchist Community. I just don’t [want?] those fuckers acting like they are my ally and then completely writing our struggle off or pretending like shit didn’t happen..."

That is in fact, recognition. "Our struggle" which is being written off is the struggle against hetero-normativity and patriarchy which must take place through a "queer identified subject" who is the only authentic "criminal queer." The comment suggests "it was a queer riot, called for a queer organization, it was done by queer people," All of this reflects a desire to claim the event as only authentically a queer event with "allies," but as I said before, it was queer precisely because it blurred the lines of all the different bodies with their strange desires and practices which filled its content.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: BB! News on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 04:41 PM UTC
Seeing that some of us were called sissy-boy faggots long before we were practicing the art of cock sucking your reference to faggot being based on practice is Irrelevant to us.

I have always been a faggot and I will never negate that identity or identity so long as I live in this fucked up heterosexist society. Our identities should be embraced and shoved down the throats of this disgusting society. Just as White Night, and Compton Cafeteria are celebrated as being queer uprisings so should the ones that happen today.

P.S. Anarchists ===> - - -most of you are not actually queer. Wearing tight jeans and smiling at someone of the same or similar gender does not make you queer. So please stop co-opting. Please stop pretending. It is fine if you aren't queer. Some of us cant take this everyone is queer because insurrection is queer dookie anymore!
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: blackhand on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 05:09 PM UTC
holy shit, some segment of BashBack just wingnutted. what the fuck is next, you telling folks they're not trans enough? i thought at least the cool thing about some identity politics currents was that they would at least respect the individuals' chosen identities... now we're throwing that out the window for a liberal-as-fuck, more-fag-than-thou self-righteousness.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 05:54 PM UTC
yeah i second the above reply as well! what about queers who are abstinent?

do we all need to suck face with the same gender in order to prove that we are queer now?

the most inspiring trannygirl i've ever met has never had a partner in her life...now does this mean they are not queer because they've only gazed upon the faces of those they've desired?

that's some serious messed up crap bb! news...
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: BB! News on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 06:16 PM UTC
laozi no one said anything about having to be constantly sucking face to prove queerness.
what you said is actually right on.
you misunderstood the post. the post was meant to be directed at the fucking gaggle of straight anarchists who claim queer or genderqueer identities to weasel their way into queer organizing spaces. this has happened time and time again in recent years. It cannot be denied that dudes who have never experienced any sort of oppression for being queer, have never fucked anyone but femmie womyn and are completely comfortable in their assigned gender have on multiple occasions butted in on queer space.
everyone is not queer. we need to recognize that.
you can be trans and/or queer and asexual, of course! duh. anyone who would say otherwise is a dick.

On another rant (not directed at laozi)...
people keep bringing shit up like ...well just dont work with those people if they suck. That is pretty hard to do when the people continuing this hetersexist shit are your friends...and some of the people posting online about how queers should just no long be friends with the homophobes. Well when it is you, the one saying that, then you would probably feel different. I dont think the article was meant to be some vague ass attempt at hitting straighty, but rather calling friends out; some of whom have been called out before.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 06:23 PM UTC
yeah i want to make clear that i am down with calling out folks who are just play acting as genderqueer, etc so they can join in on queer activities. i don't think it is really easy to call out though of course on the internet though especially when usually this stuff is between people who we are friends with. it is a question i guess i am having a hard time with because as i said in another response...what do we do with folks that might be genuinely questioning? and not just trying to sneak their way into the bash back black bloc...?

Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Admin on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 06:28 PM UTC
BB News! is all over the map when it comes to the things they've said in this thread. It wasn't clear to me that they were singling out anarchists "pretending" to be queer or genderqueer. Or whatever. The thing is that anarchism has always been about letting people have their personal freedom, including the personal freedom to identify as something (or not if they have reasons not to wear a label). Most anarchists would be pretty turned off and angry by any anarchist going around telling people that they aren't "queer enough" or don't have the right to wear some label.

Let people wear whatever label they want. Aren't there bigger fish to fry?

Chuck
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 06:35 PM UTC
yes. i have to agree with you chuck here (though maybe it doesn't seem so from some of my other posting) i am just really uneasy with this internal calling out...i mean we could do it? but really there are way bigger fish to fry...can we just get back to attacking our enemies instead of ourselves?
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 07:09 PM UTC
i want to make clear that i am down with BB!'s point of unity about fighting inside and outside of our "movement". i am down with internal critique and all but i am just scared when we start saying so and so is not really queer, etc... it's like those old tired arguments about so and so not really being gay or whatever because they are bi and thus are "cheating" because they don't fuck the right people.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 06:31 PM UTC
also to get really blatant and down to earth about all this hullabaloo in i hear the sentiment of bb! news and other queers in this discussion because in the last year all of a sudden it is trendy to be both 1) queer and 2) insurrectionist. those are the two big hot things this year it seems because those are the two groups of folks throwin' down a bunch.

to the point that i have even heard reactionary types often just dismiss bash back! actions as a bunch of white straight activists pretending to be gender/queer and insurrectionists...
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: laozi on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 06:16 PM UTC
also i think bash back! in general has helped a lot of folks (especially young folks) in the last year feel comfortable coming out queer as anarchists...so all these "straighties" who are "co-opting" our culture are very potentially people who are coming out/questioning... do we really want to turn them off by talk of being queerer-than thou? i know i started identifying as queer a few years back because it seemed more open minded/fluid to what a sexual identity could be other than official LGBT identities. before i identified as queer i was bisexual/bigender and totally hooked on binary thinking...being able to identify as queer has enabled me to forget about all the dividing labels and just be a human with unusual sexual practices. that's sorta irrelevant to this discussion i guess, but i just don't think we should alienate folks who might be opening up to themselves/others and that are also wanting to smash shit up because they are pissed because they are finally coming out and want to bash back!
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: alta fuoco on Wednesday, November 11 2009 @ 03:14 PM UTC
he responses and affirmations of this text have revealed a whole new poverty of thought within our foolish milieu. Almost every careful provocation and critique has been met with muddled, confused, and inconsistent analysis of how power functions, and what its implications are for the oppressed.

On the one hand some partisans of BashBack! and thus a queering-anarchism position have argued for the rooting out of “anarcho-liberals”, and then others have somehow “agreed” and continued to suggest that the distinction between “liberals” and “insurrectionists” within BB! are a false dichotomy. While this also may be true within BB! or within the anarchist milieu in the US, it reflects such an impoverished level thought, and critical analysis of our conditions. The reason we want to root out the pejorative “anarcho-liberalism” is not because “some people are not militant enough, and fuck 'um.” It's because liberalism is a particular philosophical body of thought, which relies on the construction of the individual as its subject, and whose history is the history of the modern state and whose practices of inclusion/exclusion are the art of government, which some call “governmentality.” Its because liberal thought leads to democratic illusions, docile bodies, and subjects which identify with, and produce their own prisons. The liberal discourse regarding community relies on a state-form of community. The individual is either that which must be protected from an outside unknown, or disciplined into the most functional member of a community. Eitherway, there must be a constant paranoia, and project of security, often times resulting in social immunization practices—purifying with blood, territory, or so-called ideas. The question is simple, yet has vast implications: Can there be identity without policing?

And if the answer is “no,” and we find ourself, one way or the other in combat with the police, then we will have to taken into combat with the careful deployment and administration of identity as well.

When BB!News says:

“ Seeing that some of us were called sissy-boy faggots long before we were practicing the art of cock sucking your reference to faggot being based on practice is Irrelevant to us.

I have always been a faggot and I will never negate that identity or identity so long as I live in this fucked up heterosexist society. Our identities should be embraced and shoved down the throats of this disgusting society. Just as White Night, and Compton Cafeteria are celebrated as being queer uprisings so should the ones that happen today.

P.S. Anarchists ===> - - -most of you are not actually queer. Wearing tight jeans and smiling at someone of the same or similar gender does not make you queer. So please stop co-opting. Please stop pretending. It is fine if you aren't queer. Some of us cant take this everyone is queer because insurrection is queer dookie anymore!”

We can see the limit of radical practices of identity within the apparatus of hetero-normativity when it is deployed in capitalism. Whereas any practice can be an empty form (cock sucking) it takes on particular significance if the history of cock sucking, is also the history of hetero-normative exclusions. However, if our collective (esp. queer, women, black, poor, blablabla ) experience can be described by a schizophrenic oscillation between feelings of inclusion and feeling of exclusion, then in order to “embrace” our identities which are based on the way we are excluded and shove them down the throats of this disgusting society, we have to conceal the ways in which we are included. The formula works the same way when it is inverted. So many very straight people have been called sissy-fag-boys and beaten up for it. Some shot up their schools, but never once practice the art of sodomy. How can an “essential-fag” analysis of identity face this?

This does not mean everyone is queer, nor even that everyone experiences oppression which can be made analogous. Far from it. This means that a discourse which privileges exclusions--while at one time in history may have been “strategic” (i.e. strategic essentialism of the workers movement in the early 20th century and of national liberation in the '70s), is seriously limited. Today, under a different, more complex method of governing, either we must accept an ethical limitation of queer space always having the possibility of allowing straight people to perform queer, or a new strategy must be born.

Conclusively, this also means that either queer must be defined at every moment to allow for a non-fixed identity which keeps including through its impositions (for some reason consensual violence is “queer,” even though it has its own history which does not specifically reference homosexual practices), or new terms which are specific to practices must be developed. Either way, as BB!News reveals, there is no common cause for people who have so-called deviant sexual practices, and imagined identities.

One more effort, if we wish to be the conduits without qualities of an insurrectional war-machine.

Some of us have been in the game for a little over a decade. That's a minute... We delight all the provocations. It's good to finally feel the possibility of other comrades acting on us. Its even better to see how the milieu is less afraid of power. But we miss a fundamental intelligence from which we all collectively benefit: If we produce and reproduce the world as it is, we also are produced by it. Its good that more than recent years, people feel their that peers are “the revolutionary subject,” but this will ultimately lead to catastrophe or banality if we fail to see how we must dissolve, over and over again.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Al Ligator on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 12:05 PM UTC
I wasn't in Pittsburgh, so I wasn't aware of the tension concerning this, I personally always love it when queers revolt and bash back, but if one IS doing clandestine actions, must we always point out that that black-clad person is female, that one is Puerto-Rican, that one is queer?
For a long time I thought people were pissed about it from the other perspective. Black blocs and people who smash shit have in the past, repeatedly been condemned (mostly being used in strawmen arguements) to being nothing but 'middle-class white boys with trust funds'. And that is problematic, because those who know that they aren't also don't want to come forward and say, "no, the person who smashed the McDonalds window was actually a queer hispanic" which of course, makes it easier for arrests to be made.

I just always kind of assume that those in black blocs are different people from different places with different identities...
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: CHJO on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 01:15 PM UTC
This shit is so fucked up, Not just the article but the bickering in the comments.

It is unfair that the LGBT side of our fight is under represented in reporting, it is unfair that they do not get the recognition they earn, but to claim that you do more than anyone else? That you are more effective? Your splintering the fight through your own bloated ego. (most of the comments are no better)

we cant afford to bicker and cry about 'credit' and recognition, we all need to get out and fight, be us gay, straight, male, female, whatever. This bullshit has to stop. Fuck the documentaries and the recognition, fix the problems and move on.
Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: exworker on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 03:48 PM UTC
There are two points that I feel should be made explicitly clear here. First, to those decrying the entire basis of this article, issues dealing with race, gender, class, etc. effect us all differently and it is unfair to minimize someone else's experience just because you don't share the same opinion. If their speech is aggressive or not conducive to productive discussion, calmly attempt to understand their position and move it in a different direction without retreating to the same knee-jerk tactics. If someone is particularly angry about something and perhaps doesn't articulate as well as you'd like, try and see that. COMMUNICATE.

Second, most of us have our own problems, regardless of gender, race or class. Do we really need to treat this site as a space to brag about whose "struggled the most?".

I simply cannot understand why so many of us in the activist community think we are outside of basic communication skills. One person's tone shouldn't derail an entire discussion on such a serious topic. And if you don't think this is a serious topic, that's your first mistake. Get a clue.




BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: Dex on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 04:15 PM UTC
Ok speaking for myself as one person involved with these videos, there are a few important facts to get out there. At the time this was posted, Twin Cities Indymedia's top feature was a reportback on BB actions & a lot of collective effort went into covering BB's part in anti-Nazi action in Austin recently.

BashBack has definitely been the best broad group to emerge brand new from DNC/RNC organizing with a strong presence all over - it is already a striking achievement. But BB does not do a lot to export their own media - there is not a strong presence of Internet material for example. (this opens the opportunity for rightwing defamatory attacks and noise as noted)

What is the goal for BashBack in the independent media? What about in corporate media (freaking out Bill O'Reilly? LOL)? At direct actions? What should Indymedia-friendly people know when trying to do something where BashBack is involved?

BB needs to participate in Indymedia rather than feel left out and take shots at people working under pressure to try to get something put together. They need to make sure to connect with the media people at convergences. After a big action it would be questionable to label something as BashBack without even hearing anything from them! (As you admit no one bothered with communiques after the G20 action, nor did anyone from BB stop by the IMC space. Indymedia is a collaborative process & if someone from BB had been there I'm sure it would have been possible to tell the narrative of how BB's work led into the action - fixing that title which definitely did not fully express the events that happened in between.)

This is hard for Indymedia to deal in covering BB actions: BB people are usually a lot more easily identified in protest videos than some other people (usually mostly not blocked up in actions). Are they OK with released video or not? This has not been indicated well enough--especially when the cops are snooping around and prosecutors are launching charges on people while claiming they were wearing X colored piece of clothing. At the RNC people in BB were trying to block cameras during the main action. Where does BB stand on this??

People from BashBack need to meet Indymedia people halfway and get involved with a lot of media work. In my experience BB people are really nice but I've also heard a lot of mean stuff. As you can see just from looking at our home page, from my experience the people in Twin Cities Indymedia are really interested in what BashBack is doing -- so far it's been pretty damn awesome. This is going to be a great story but BB has to do their part to work on telling it.

Before launching an attack on a public forum it's possible to use the Contact form or talk to some BB people in our area? kthx & have a fabulous glitterbomb revolution :-)
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: BB! News on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 04:25 PM UTC
Once again trying to lay the blame on radical queers present and not the indyjournalists who were filming. There were many cameras and at least two videos on the internet that clearly called the riot a BB! Action or a radical Queer action. Furthermore in the videos that people used of that event people were blocked up, so the excuse of trying to protect people's identities is crap. Also in the video footage that was left out of the documentary people yell about being queer anarchists over and over again for many minutes. Two separate uncut videos (one of which used in the documentary) show that in the front of the march there was a large banner that read, "Bash Back!" A week prior to the march Bash Back! PGH released a flier calling for the action. The day after the action there were stories (thanks crimethinc!) and video about the march on the BB! News site. There was plenty of information out there detailing this queer action. It's your fault that there was nothing about it in the documentary, not ours.
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: Admin on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 05:42 PM UTC
You don't seem to get the idea that the principle behind Indymedia and many other radical news media sites is that media should be created by the people themselves. Do-It-Yourself media. Right? Lambasting alternative media--which is always underfunded and lacking in resources--is asinine when you are capable of creating media that fully covers the actions and movement you are concerned about.

What mystifies me is that some members of Bash Back are complaining about independent media not covering them, when BB normally does an excellent job of publishing announcements and making sure that accounts from events get posted to news sites.

Chuck
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: Dex on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 08:12 PM UTC
How about at the next big convergence we actually work together? Personally I do not want to get into appropriating the labeling around a queer action. The titling was certainly a mistake (how exactly would you have liked it? Plz share, it could get placed on a quick recut version K?) but if anyone with BB had showed up (or, ya know, written a communique claiming responsibility for it) when the video was getting edited then I am sure it would have been worked out a lot better.

Y'all are not helping us by abandoning any effort to frame the presentation of what happened immediately **after the fact**. Is it understood that this is kind of a big deal?
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: Dex on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 08:51 PM UTC
Again speaking only for myself: Indymedia's axiom is 'you are the media' and if BB doesn't make the effort then the result is not going to be satisfying to BB's members. In this case, labeling who organized a bloc is an important thing not to be taken lightly. It seems better for all concerned to take the cues from BB *after* the action rather than guessing about how BB wants it framed. (not just going by the announcements prior)

The titling was certainly a mistake (how exactly would you have liked it? Plz share, it could get placed on a quick recut version K?) but if anyone with BB had showed up (or, ya know, written a communique claiming responsibility for it) when the video was getting edited then I am sure it would have been worked out a lot better. You need to have a specific Indymedia contact/handler for actions. Period.

Y'all are not helping by abandoning any effort to frame the presentation of what happened immediately **after the fact**. Is it understood that this is kind of a big deal? It seemed like after Thursday everyone was hiding out rather than helping along the Indymedia process on behalf of BB in any way whatsoever.

This also applies to sensitive legal support stuff to defend BB people from charges - if you want to discuss such things then it would be best to take off this public space, use the TCIMC contact form.
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: Dex on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 08:51 PM UTC
Again speaking only for myself: Indymedia's axiom is 'you are the media' and if BB doesn't make the effort then the result is not going to be satisfying to BB's members. In this case, labeling who organized a bloc is an important thing not to be taken lightly. It seems better for all concerned to take the cues from BB *after* the action rather than guessing about how BB wants it framed. (not just going by the announcements prior)

The titling was certainly a mistake (how exactly would you have liked it? Plz share, it could get placed on a quick recut version K?) but if anyone with BB had showed up (or, ya know, written a communique claiming responsibility for it) when the video was getting edited then I am sure it would have been worked out a lot better. You need to have a specific Indymedia contact/handler for actions. Period.

Y'all are not helping by abandoning any effort to frame the presentation of what happened immediately **after the fact**. Is it understood that this is kind of a big deal? It seemed like after Thursday everyone was hiding out rather than helping along the Indymedia process on behalf of BB in any way whatsoever.

This also applies to sensitive legal support stuff to defend BB people from charges - if you want to discuss such things then it would be best to take off this public space, use the TCIMC contact form.
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: BB! News on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 09:55 PM UTC
I'm sorry but you really aren't getting it. PLENTY of other groups had their marches covered with relative accuracy, at least to the point of saying this march was organized by these people.

Once again no one in TC Indymedia has addressed the fact that the SDS Funk the War segment in terrorizing dissent was ridiculously long and people in BB! DID talk to people making the film in an effort to get BB! shit in it. As for Pittsburgh, you really need to quit playing this, "we didn't know what to write because none of you were there" card. The march was clearly called by BB! and was clearly a radical queer march (see the 8 million examples of why that is above). Whether consciously or not you keep glossing over that shit. You didnt need a Radical Queer token in your group to claim the bloc as a radical queer bloc nor did you need a Radical Queer token to throw some shit in about BB! at the RNC. You had everything you needed to call the march a Radical Queer march. You didn't. This shit is not the fault of radical queers. It is the fault of the journalists who made the film. Quit denying...you are just making it so much fucking worse.
BashBack needs to do their own media work
Authored by: automatonsrevolt on Wednesday, November 11 2009 @ 12:22 AM UTC

I'm not arguing with Dex's comments overall but the statement that "At the time this was posted, Twin Cities Indymedia's top feature was a reportback on BB actions" is misleading. We (Bash Back! Twin Cities) wrote that ourselves and it wasn't initially a featured story but rather something that could have easily gotten lost in the local news feed until we specifically contacted someone from the TCIMC collective and asked them to feature the story. No one in Bash Back! Twin Cities is complaining about that in fact I thanked them for agreeing to post it as a feature. At this point I'd say we have a decent relationship with TC Indymedia. They've been really helpful in getting us footage of the arrests at the Nazi rally to show the lawyers. For anyone who wants to read the communique in question click here.

Also I think it's debatable that "a lot of collective effort went into covering BB's part in anti-Nazi action in Austin recently. " The article in question mentions bash back! once, simply noting that we were there along with Centro Campesino and Anti-Racist Action. It doesn't say anything about our activities at the demo or even state that two of three arrested were Bash Back! members. That seems like a pretty significant omission in the otherwise extensive Indymedia report...That article can be accessed here.

Dear Straight Anarchists. WTF? A Radical Queer Complaint from Queens of Trailer Trash
Authored by: Perica on Tuesday, November 10 2009 @ 11:27 PM UTC
Good grief, why do we have to be so mean to each other? This article assumes that the indymedia makers they have a beef with are straight and that they are anarchists. These are sorta big assumptions to be making when you are being this freaking harshly critical (they only way you could be sure of their sexual orientation and political ideology is if you know them, and if that was the case, couldn't you address them personally?).

And, as an indymedia volunteer for 8 years, I can almost 100% guarantee you that indymedia workers really really want your input and input from activists and people who read/watch/listen to indymedia projects. BB!ers are willing to sit down and talk with Vanity Fair, please take to the time to publish to your local imc and/or talk to imc activists/reporters at events. This protest might very well have been covered poorly because straight indymedia people have been socialized by a heterosexist system and portrayed this event poorly due to internalized oppressive attitudes, but that they did this on purpose just seems really unlikely, and there may be other explanations (They got bad info from a protester who was there but didn't know the full story, they got confused, they were hanging out with activist friends that went to this event without knowing all the politics behind it) which don't excuse the errors in coverage, but may warrant a different type of response than hostile allegations of heterosexism.

People that do indymedia work don't do it for money, it is not sexy like it sorta was back 8-9 years ago, they are doing this because they want the stories of social justice and revolutionary struggles to be told. If they do a bad job, let them know and publish a better report. If they really have oppressive behavior, call them on it. I just get frustrated when folks who try (and often fail) to be allies are attacked when we could be helping each other. I don't think this hyper-purity of politics and hostility to folks who dont get it 100% helps us, it sure makes me feel like someone who has gotten to old for this...