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Social War Needs Social Skills

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Change is inevitable they say, but not all change is good. For the past few years, there has been a growing trend within the United States anarchist movement towards something called “Social War.” We’re starting to see it more and more in actions and in writings: a tendency towards violence and rupture, with no regard for the tried and true values of serious activism.

Social War Needs Social Skills

Change is inevitable they say, but not all change is good. For the past few years, there has been a growing trend within the United States anarchist movement towards something called “Social War.” We’re starting to see it more and more in actions and in writings: a tendency towards violence and rupture, with no regard for the tried and true values of serious activism.

This fad is represented by several writings and publications, including Earth First! Means Social War, the recently published online pdf Utopia//Emergency, and a French pamphlet called The Coming Insurrection. The tone of these writings is one of arrogance and disdain. Immature references are made to pop-culture, profanity is ubiquitous, and the writing is deeply alienating to people who aren’t in the know. They are flippant and rub people the wrong way, encouraging division where there should be cohesion and respect. In Martin Luther King’s speech at the march on Washington, was profanity used? Is the Zaptatista message one of division? Does Take Back the Land joke around about the struggle against oppression and exploitation? That is not how real change is made; vulgar immaturity isn't going to improve our position on matters. People need to see that anarchists are not monsters; they are real people proposing real solutions to the problems of capitalism. Don’t get us wrong, activism is fun and engaging, but what these “Social War”ists don’t realize is that real critique requires mature investigation and inquiry into social movements. It requires lengthy reflection of our actions, their repercussions and how they fit into the overall struggle of social justice movements.

“Social War” actions are equally confrontational and divisive. Like the protests in Oakland around the police execution of Oscar Grant, a legitimate political event led by people of color was hijacked by these social warriors who want nothing more than to get their kicks. People of color were in the street to have their voices heard and to demand police accountability, not to be rendered invisible and silenced by the sounds of small businesses being smashed. At the 2008 RNC, a widely viewed video documents a prescient critique of the Black Block; an organizer from Funk the War shouts, “it’s being led by a bunch of agro dudes!” “Occupy everything right now” they say, but to, and for whom, do they speak? Who has the privilege to define the course of movements in this way? Where is the color in social war? The women? On these matters, they maintain a telling silence that speaks volumes. They muse about becoming a war-machine. However we know this to mean something very different: a commitment to directly democratic counter institutions that stand the test of time. Community centers, self-managed workplaces, and spaces for alternative cultural production are nowhere on their map.

They don’t want to build a new world in the shell of the old; it just seems like they want to destroy the world. “Nothing is more necessary than insurrection,” they write, but what is their commitment to the community? The disciples of social war aren’t seriously committed to building long lasting radical institutions such as Food Not Bombs, which has served tens of thousands of free vegetarian and vegan meals to homeless and poor people all across the world. Where will they be in six months, after the riots, when the rest of us are doing the serious work of community organizing? We should be strategizing more along the lines of the Hope from People bloc, which was signed by prominent radical individuals from across the United States who wanted to take advantage of President Obama’s message of hope that inspired so many marginalized and oppressed people to build towards a more just world.

To wrap up, until “social war” develops some social skills, we’re left to ponder what they really want. As of now it seems that these “social warriors” want nothing more than to attack and destroy capitalism –as if that constitutes some sort of totality. Maybe if they’d take the time to explain what they want, we’d see that really we want the same things. We know that all of us have hope for a better world where no one is illegal, where everyone has dignified housing and meaningful work, and where there is equality for all and true democracy. Let’s get serious and work on this together!

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Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: adidas on Wednesday, April 29 2009 @ 09:22 PM UTC
"Where is the color in social war? The women? "

Alright man. You are starting to make me mad.

People of color and women are just as involved in the "Social War" trend of anarchism that you speak of as they are in your activist-style Funk The War shit. What, you think that women and people of color aren't into "violence and rupture"? Oh no, you're right, I forgot. We should break down gender barriers while at the same time reinforcing the mystification of violence as "male" "agro" "macho" and something that women obviously wouldn't have anything to do with. Of course insurrectionary anarchism is sexist and macho, anything that escalates tactics beyond dancing in the street and intentional arrest *always* is nowadays with your crowd.

Tell me, anonymous author..If the Black Bloc was taking the Funk The War somewhere, how did the person in the Funk The War wearing daisy dukes and a tie-dye bandana know they were "agro dudes"? Or was that person simply drawing on their sexist and patriarchal ideas that confrontational tactics are ALWAYS used by "agro men", or even worse, "macho men". Tell that to my female co-defendant who cracked a cop with a god damned baseball bat in DC (Don't worry, we were found guilty. She did that shit!)

Don't even get me started on your racist ass (yeah, I actually called somebody out on racism. i must be becoming some kind of PC anarchist now!) talking about the nice black people who were just trying to have a peaceful march through Oakland, CA. I guess all the images of people of color fighting police, telling the media why they were fighting, and leading marches in support of cop killing were instigated by the big bad white men who lead the International Black Bloc Group based in Macho Man Randy Savage Stadium in Crawford Texas.

Fuck you.

-An Ignorant Ass Man

Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: crudo on Wednesday, April 29 2009 @ 10:21 PM UTC
I can't go out and play because someone on the internet is wrong! First off, who wrote this, and where is it coming from?

"We’re starting to see it more and more in actions and in writings: a tendency towards violence and rupture, with no regard for the tried and true values of serious activism." -

What is tried and true activism? The FAI utilized a wide variety of violent measures to build up their organization. So did a wide variety of other anarchist organizations. Activism is a relativity new form of anarchist practice. Confrontational class conflict is not. What is acutally 'wrong' about rupture and violence as well? I would say that those who engage in so said activities also are probably very serious, more so than the people doing 'activist projects.'

"They are flippant and rub people the wrong way, encouraging division where there should be cohesion and respect. In Martin Luther King’s speech at the march on Washington, was profanity used? Is the Zaptatista message one of division? Does Take Back the Land joke around about the struggle against oppression and exploitation?" -

Wasn't it Marcos from the EZLN who stated that he "shits on the vanguards of the world" and jokes that he wants to be a soccer player because they "get the girls?" Sure a lot of insurrectionary stuff is pretty lame in some regards, but I'll take Politics Is Not A Banana over the latest Slingshot anyday.

"That is not how real change is made; vulgar immaturity isn't going to improve our position on matters." -

What's a pretty bold statement. How is "real change" made? You seem to have a lot of the answers, why don't you share them with us.

"Social War”ists don’t realize is that real critique requires mature investigation and inquiry into social movements. It requires lengthy reflection of our actions, their repercussions and how they fit into the overall struggle of social justice movements." -

A lot of 'social war' stuff is really indepthly tied into a look at insurrectionary subjects and movements throughout history. Check out Wolfi's text, Autonomous Self-Organization and Anarchist Intervention.

"“Social War” actions are equally confrontational and divisive." -

What is a 'social war' action? I would say the riots in Oakland were a social war action (making it sound like some activist thing - "hey, we're having a social war action over here!!!") it was a riot.

"Like the protests in Oakland around the police execution of Oscar Grant, a legitimate political event led by people of color was hijacked by these social warriors who want nothing more than to get their kicks." -

You are dumb.

Didn't you read that shit that Anarchist People of Color put out after the riots? Fuck, go read this, it will make you feel stupid.

"People of color were in the street to have their voices heard and to demand police accountability," -

yeah, and people of color on the streets also smashed small businesses and people's car, what do you think of that?

"Black Block; an organizer from Funk the War shouts, “it’s being led by a bunch of agro dudes!”" -

Yeah, besides all the women that were also there smashing stuff as well, and in the black bloc. And what, as opposed to the hippies that just wanted to dance against the war?

"a commitment to directly democratic counter institutions that stand the test of time. Community centers, self-managed workplaces, and spaces for alternative cultural production are nowhere on their map." -

You are so right, because there are none of these things in Greece. Fuck, you've got it all figured out.

"“Nothing is more necessary than insurrection,” they write, but what is their commitment to the community?" -

Who wrote that?

Commitment to what community? There are many.

"The disciples of social war aren’t seriously committed to building long lasting radical institutions such as Food Not Bombs, which has served tens of thousands of free vegetarian and vegan meals to homeless and poor people all across the world. Where will they be in six months," -

Probably still being bad asses, unlike the punk travler kid who started a food not bombs and then left to go on tour with some band that sounds like someone taking a poop.

"after the riots, when the rest of us are doing the serious work of community organizing?" -

I haven't shown anyone this post, but everyone in Modesto already hates you. I'm not going to continue responding to this.

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Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: crudo on Wednesday, April 29 2009 @ 10:24 PM UTC
Sorry on this thing I wrote:

"What is a 'social war' action? I would say the riots in Oakland were a social war action (making it sound like some activist thing - "hey, we're having a social war action over here!!!") it was a riot."

meant to write: "I would say that the riots in Oakland were not a social war action..."

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where the proles where the proles where the proles at?
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: engine summer on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 02:13 AM UTC
you say po-tay-to, i say, i hate anarcho-activists.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: Collin Sick on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 04:13 PM UTC
crudo- I'm not sure why this was approved to the newswire, and I say that as a i-news moderator for this site. By the time this was approved "What does Insurrection mean? and Why do people smash windows at protests?" had just been submitted, another anonymous post. I approved that post, I figured if we're allowing one unsigned piece on attacking insurrection up here, there may as well be an unsigned piece defending it.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: rechelon on Wednesday, April 29 2009 @ 11:54 PM UTC
While I'm no fan of insurrectionism, this article only makes the authors look silly and liberal. I mean seriously.

Quoting MLK = FAIL
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: talia on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 12:10 AM UTC
Not only is this article terribly written tripe, it preemptively steals the name of a genuinely good article being written by someone I like a lot. Sad news all around!
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: engine summer on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 02:11 AM UTC
seconded!
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: CaseyFord on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 12:22 AM UTC
Sigh. The "social war" tendency certain can be critiqued and should be. Because it's such a popular theoretical force here in the states, constructive critique is vital in its continued development as a viable theory in this north american context (for example, I think that it can be too eurocentric, in a regional, not ethnic sense). Unfortunately, this piece just completely misses the mark. Everything it says seems to be based on A) the author's personal experience with insurrectionists (which I guess is pretty different than mine) and B) the author's perceptions of what it's all about and stereotypes of the people they think make it up.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: engine summer on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 01:43 AM UTC
yeah man, pacifist christians like MLK and nationalist marxists like the zapatistas are WHERE IT'S AT!!! it is so rad how our glorious president obama got all these poor black people to vote and buy in to the system because that is like TOTALLY BUILDING A BETTER WORLD!! now if only they would stop swearing and go out and start some SERIOUS ACTIVISM like food not bombs groups. serious activism like mlk is what got us to this awesome place we are in today doncha know!!

shut the fuck up and die you stupid liberal. and take your stupid map of vegetarian cultural production centers where everyone will be forced to work with you. if you hung out with real people instead of just other activists like you you might have a clue that many "ordinary people" are no stranger to violence and rupture, like the youth who attacked large and small businesses alongside the revolutionary minority during the oscar grant rebellion. regardless of "leaders" like you, of any color, demanding "police accountability". how about NO POLICE? i thought this was an anarchist website...

i hope someone sets your fucking car on fire.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: generaluser on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 03:40 AM UTC
Uhhh, I when I saw the title I was fairly sure I knew who wrote this, but then my eyes were deceived and how absolutely terrible it was. I mean...I don't know what to say honestly (other than what's already been said) because I just REALLY hope the person I thought initially wrote this didn't. And if they did, I still wouldn't say who it was, because I wouldn't want to embarrass them this much. Jeez, I mean, I just hope this didn't come from the rather influential person I thought was writing this.

This is just dumb from start to finish, from passive references to literature it seems the author hasn't read, to MLK props, to condemnation of people at the RNC based on YOUTUBE VIDEOS, to condemnation of anarchists in Oakland who compared to the non-anarchists present, didn't do much at all. Read the zine "Unfinished Acts" from people in Oakland that talks about the riots in detail.

I'm more in shock about how surprisingly stupid this is.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: talia on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 01:21 PM UTC
Suffice it to say that this definitely did not come from that source.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: femin(A)zi on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 08:05 PM UTC
almost like voting for barak obama.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: lopez on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 08:51 PM UTC
almost like miSsSpelling everything.

I saw you on youtbue as "baby whining for control."
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: femin(A)zi on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 09:01 PM UTC
you're so *hard* and *insurrectionary* 'cause you use pornographic metaphors.

those in insurrectionist houses shouldn't throw votes, BABY.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: lopez on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 09:46 PM UTC
i don't live in a house, i live in an cumming inSSurectioniSSt apartment, femiNAZI.

and i'll repeat what i said because it was just deleted: hearing all this speculation about everyone's favorite unnamed prominent anarchist "source" is pretty revolting and makes me feel like i'm suffocating buried in a mound of swine



Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: femin(A)zi on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 09:52 PM UTC
i'm laughing at you, lopez, not with you.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: lopez on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 10:41 PM UTC
just remembered something about that vote: i did it to get you that fucking free vibrator from the sexshop cuz i knew you would never get it otherwise.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: femin(A)zi on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 10:51 PM UTC
i already had one. i don't need barak obama to help me cum.
way to bring the sex negativity!
Authored by: talia on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 08:47 PM UTC
As if there's anything wrong with that!
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 09:41 AM UTC
to the writer of this piece. have you even read the coming insurrection?

it's not just about social war as you say.

there is talk of building up infrastructure of autonomous communes everywhere in that baby.

there is tons of legitimate proposals (though very much in manifesto form) for building a new world in the shell of the old per se, but as a form of resistance and not just some lefty, progressive, vanity bull shit, but because we need real communities, we need peer to peer affinity, friendship, etc

also at first i understand what you might mean by the wording they use is alienating. mind you so far it has mostly been a bad translation from french. and they are philosophical texts. (at least stuff from invisible committee) if you go slow and take your time like i did, you'll eventually understand it, it is really not that hard to use a dictionary. i don't mean that to be demeaning. but not everything is validated by having to be written at an 8th grade reading level. shouldn't there be room for texts of all types in our milieu

okay now i am off to read the rest of the comments.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: Al Ligator on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 10:41 AM UTC
I was hoping this would be a good critique on how some of the insurrectionalist crowd (as well as the wider radical community) needs better social skills, as I see a lot of people shunning non-radicals right off the bat, yet they always yearn for social war to 'spread through the social terrain', or how their language can be alienating, even to people who already agree with them, or how we could creatively challenge ourselves to make sure that 'class struggle/social war' is pushed into daily discourse enough to where it cannot be ignored, like the economic crisis, environmental crisis, 9/11 or the swine flu. For people to begin referring to our agency as opposed to debating over politicians.
There is a lot to critique about the insurrectionalist crowd, but the author of this piece raises no serious ones.


"tried and true values of serious activism"
A lot of us have 'tried that true activism' as realized it didn't work.


There is a much wider wealth of writings that have an insurrectionalist bent to them, and can not be limited to just current pieces. In fact, I personally find some of that old time urgent-let's-bring-the-system-down-now anarchist class hatred from the 1800's/ early 1900's to be a little more refreshing than some of the stuff coming out now.

"Is the Zaptatista message one of division?"
Some Zapatista's (not all) are trying to build a 'national liberation front', so, like politicians, they may want to use as vague language as they can.

"vulgar immaturity isn't going to improve our position on matters."
No one thing is going to improve our matters, but humor and wit, (when used well of course) can be a very powerful weapon of subversion.

"“Social War” actions are equally confrontational and divisive."
There is obviously nothing wrong with confrontation, and we should always distance ourselves from authoritarian parasites.

"They don’t want to build a new world in the shell of the old; it just seems like they want to destroy the world."
We do want to build a new world, but the old world has to go first, or else it will regain power and crush anything we've created, like it currently does.

Once again, the "build/destroy" false dichotomy has replaced the false "red/green", "violent/nonviolent" dichotomies to confuse us into thinking that we need to choose sides, when as we know, there are no 'sides' to take, we can think critically and strategically about how we will approach the social war.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 12:18 PM UTC
yeah wouldn't it be great if this was actually about social skills and an actually helpful critique, you know...like something we could learn from?

we definitely need more social skills to build better affinity, even within our own milieu.

also to address the actual article in question here again i am going to take this quote from the IEF:

The Invisible committee’s affirmation of insurrection is not without an affirmation of a different new world(s) in the shell of the old. Which is to say, their creative urge is articulated through the construction of new worlds that don’t seek to replace the current one, but instead, intend to be our homes during the demolition party. It would be nice to live in something, rather than just surviving somewhere.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: communitycntrl on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 12:23 PM UTC
"that's a pretty bold statement. How is "real change" made? You seem to have a lot of the answers, why don't you share them with us."

I think this is telling in that it shows that "tried-and-true activism" has failed for some people, and probably mostly in frustration, they have turned to the social war meme as it is more instantly gratifying, and also attacks directly institutions of power (however ineffectively) instead of not attacking them while they continue to enslave us all.

Maybe it takes 10 years of foundation-building before an attack on power makes any sense? how long did the EZLN plan and build before they attacked? i think some folks just saw that the foundation they had been building using "tried-and-true activism" more or less crumbled post-globalization movement, and so now they are like fuck it, lets just try to attack the system before our movement crumbles even more, and perhaps that will draw people in (the idea is that everyone wants to attack, but are just waiting until others kick it off). that seems like the (perhaps unconscious) perspective of many "social warriors".

this comment i think illustrates that point: "What's a pretty bold statement. How is "real change" made? You seem to have a lot of the answers, why don't you share them with us." this shows a frustration with the base-building activism that seems to some to have been a failed strategy. Al Ligator even says so in a later comment...

If social war writers were more self-conscious about what bropught them to their views, and included that in their writings more, instead of only writing in a forward-looking manner without contextualizing how they came to understand what they think should happen going forward, i think it could help develop the insurrectionary movement more and make it less alienating to people who have not gone through the same attempts at other methods that they have. you gotta acknowledge where you're coming from to better understand why your going the direction your going.

That said, I hope more insurrectionary anarchists realize that some of their ideas may spring as much from frustration as from sound historical comparison and sociological analysis of our current situation, and that they don't all just go down in a ball of flames. This is a 50 year war, not a 2 year war.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: terracide on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 01:29 PM UTC
I think this point has one or two valid points, the left has done some alright stuff, but that doesnt mean we shouldn't try to break out of the left's tradition.

I hope the insurrectionary anarchists who were writing "social war mean social skills" continues with that name cause it should be reclaimed.

Get this we don't all have to agree, and I don't think i will agree with everyone in the end.

Some people don't like the female bodied person in SDS, oh well, we all don't have to like each other i think thats why the reaction happened.

Did you understand wrecking you again for the very first time again? The point of the piece was to state that SDSers were acting like party managers and trying to control people's desires and even by our comrades we are uncontrollable. Remember at the spokes council they just asked everyone to not show up in black for funk the war... which people didn't. They left in black.

Have you ever considered that when you say militant tactics are mocho/racist you are telling every women who believes in militant tactics they are less of a women/person of color? Youre [the author of this article] a sexist/racist by that definition.

But really, like I think the left has gotten us places, and there has been successful achievements of the left. But in all honesty people shouldn't be afraid to break out of the left. Social war is something anarchists should be fighting towards, but fighting for social war doesn't mean you cant fight for social justice imo. Diversity in tactics and ideas remember?

Anarchists should be doing mass mobilization, community projects, and breaking windows at three AM. Social war can work with social justice its a false dichotomy.

The reason why leftest coalitions fall apart is because of demands and messaging. The reason why the revolution in greece was so intense and couldnt be killed. It was because it was social war, it had no demands just the destruction of capitalism and the state, so the state couldn't be appease the moderate ends and destroy it.

And it will continue, there are autonomous regions in greece now, where they have built community projects combined with rebellion that has no demands it has the greatest possibility to become just that...anarchy.

so fuck some shit up resist and build something with your friends and family.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: terracide on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 01:31 PM UTC
oh yeah, forgot to mention this, I know plenty of insurrectionist anarchists who take the time and do community work too.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: engine summer on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 02:49 PM UTC
hey, i appreciate this comment a lot (although i'm not sure i want to be lumped in with "social war writers"). people who dont make sense can be found hanging onto any group of words.

one thing i have to take issue with those is the continuing valorization of the ezln and "base-building" as distinct from attack. i was having this conversation about greece with someone and our local anarchist community which practices sort of an insular, subcultural "anarchism", this person was saying "look they didnt just start rioting one day, they were building community for years". yeah they were, they were also fighting the whole time, against the turks, british, nazis, regime of the colonels etc... two sides of the same "coin" broski! if you look at what some of the most influential insurrectionist voices have been saying it is absolutely about opening space and spreading capacity for self organization throughout the social terrain. but this is inseparable from the need and ability to counterattack against everything that prevents us from doing so. no?
WE ARE NOT THE SAME
Authored by: lopez on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 03:00 PM UTC
There’s a lot to say about all of this. I think this piece, despite its overall reprehensibility, brings to light an interesting divide that is rapidly growing.

What it says isn’t that crazy or out of the ordinary for an anarchist piece. How many of these words and ideas are prevalent within what passes for radical. How much of this language is common in what passes for radical theory? Community building, police accountability, direct democracy, no one is illegal, and so on. This language and sentiment is everywhere. The elevation of cultural production --alternative media, radical arts projects, etc.-- to some sort of pedestal is prevalent as well. When Amy Goodman was arrested, it was the source of endless commentary within the jails and outside of them. Can you ever escape People’s History posters or the exceedingly high ratio of camera people to actual participants in riots? Look around infoshop, at Chuck0s posts, look at the mishmash that is anarchism today always addressing itself to a victim, an outside subject who is more worthy because they are more oppressed. As opposed to ever beginning from our conditions, as opposed to fighting because we need it, as opposed to orienting ourselves towards others who fight as well.

Two ways of making critique are addressing something on its own terms and addressing it on one’s own terms. Thus far several people have simply addressed the piece on its own terms, as “No we do have women! No we really like the anarchist circus! No we are committed to the community! The Zapatistas are still our heroes!”

What Americans don’t get is that the split between building capacity and attacking is not broken down by bringing together of two mere fragments: community building and street militancy. It’s like saying a total critique stems from the addition of all of the partial critiques. That’s the barely breathing anarcho-activism of Crimethinc.

It’s interesting how people have brought up insurrectionary anarchism. The Coming Insurrection is not a part of insurrectionary anarchism, though there are similarities, it’s very different. If you read through it, and some of the pieces from Utopia//Emergency, it’s easy to see that there’s been a breaking away from a lot of these things. Once again, this shit isn’t nightime actions and black blocs plus community gardens and bikes.

It’s also interesting to see how many people immediately speculated about the authorship of this article or knew of its pending publication by some “prominent” anarchist. Who are these famous anarchists, the ones who make their rounds on the book fair circuit, who tour in “radical” bands or who have published magazines? Is that why this piece is anonymous? Does it even fucking matter?

The Game- "We are not the same"
WE ARE NOT THE SAME
Authored by: femin(A)zi on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 07:45 PM UTC
if we call the social war set out for anything, can we call them out for using hiphop rhymes to prove how tough and street and down they are?

play that funky music white boy or girl.
WE ARE NOT THE SAME
Authored by: automatonsrevolt on Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:39 AM UTC
can you (or whoever) say more about the differences between The Coming Insurrection and Insurrectionism? I for one had a hard time understanding the Coming Insurrection.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: nostalgia on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 03:58 PM UTC
You are most definitely on some bullshit.

So many young people of color came to the Oscar Grant riots for one thing and one thing only, to GET BUSY! Your Ghost Mice listening ass damn sure wasn't there, or you'd have seen who was really wrecking shit. Have you even seen any of the news footage?

You complain about the divisiveness of one trend of social struggle yet have no problem promoting division through the false dichotomies rampant in your tirade, suggesting that proponents of social war can't be involved in any community projects. Like we sleep with our masks on.

"Immature references are made to pop-culture, profanity is ubiquitous"

Profanity? Go praise the lord somewhere.

"We should be strategizing more along the lines of the Hope from People bloc, which was signed by prominent radical individuals from across the United States who wanted to take advantage of President Obama’s message of hope that inspired so many marginalized and oppressed people to build towards a more just world."

"We" shouldn't be doing shit because I know that myself and the people I organize with don't want to have a god damn thing to do with this skid-marked boxer-brief of an essay.

Somebody really should organize a black bloc to march to your house and bury its collective boot in your liberal hindparts for this shit.

Yes, what anarchists should do is celebrate the election of a war mongering capitalist because he is... mixed.

You complain about broken windows, but, in the end, when you support a president who bombs muslims, the blood is on your hands.
Social War Needs Social Skills
Authored by: RanDomino on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 05:24 PM UTC
I half-agree with this article. And most of the commentors should be ashamed of themselves. Insulting people and wishing violent deaths upon them is the behavior of frat boys, not anarchist revolutionaries. If you just want to feel empowered and you don't care about anyone else, then join a gang.

Insurrection should not just be about getting together an affinity group and burning something down or fighting the police because it makes you feel something. I am not interested in <i>fighting</i> capitalism; I am interested in <i>killing</i> it! It's true that "liberation should be liberating", but in-the-moment empowerment is just an effect, not a goal. Insurrection has only succeeded in the past when it has been a broad social movement of organizations. If 90% of the population is not organized and will turn to the corporate newspaper and to City Hall for an explanation when your shit goes down, you will fail and we will fail, and I don't see how failing over and over again is going to kill capital.

On the other hand, this article missed something. It said, "As of now it seems that these “social warriors” want nothing more than to attack and destroy capitalism", but it seems that this article wanted nothing more than to attack insurrectionism.

I have no doubt that insurrectionary successes will help revive the movements that exist and inspire people to fight back against capitalism, but insurrectionism has to get its head together. Right now it has the image of a screaming barbarian, and while we think that's cool, it's just going to scare off everyone who doesn't feel like society 'owes them'. Insurrectionism should have the image of the smiling, confident revolutionary, hoisting a flag and rallying the troops.

To believe in insurrection today means to be the tip of a spear. The blade of a spear is very small; the rest of the spear is mostly a harmless wooden handle. Without the spearhead, the handle would be a worthless stick; that is the argument of insurrectionists. But without the handle, all you have is a sharp piece of metal, which can do some damage; but it is the handle that gives a spear its force, shattering the foe's armor, pushing deep into the target, and turning a superficial wound into a killing blow.

So get a haircut, take a shower, get some clean clothes, learn to talk without saying "Fuck" every other sentence, and stop making everyone think you just hate the world. Don't stop being dangerous; just do it in a subtle, sexy way in your every-day life, and sooner than you think instead of having a black bloc of at most 150 people this island can see blocs of THOUSANDS. Then if you want to fight the cops, do it, and you WILL ACTUALLY WIN!
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 05:39 PM UTC
a bloc of thousands will "win" against the cops?! ha. yeah right. maybe for an hour or two. but eventually there will be a return to "the rule of law."

the goal of a black bloc is not to "win" against the cops. that is to be done in one's neighborhood. the goal of a black bloc is to inspire people to resist. to show people there are people fighting back. and to ignite a fire in the hearts of the participants that won't soon be extinguished.

...little goals on the path to larger ones.
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Authored by: draghignazzo on Tuesday, May 05 2009 @ 02:22 AM UTC
Yeah, killing capitalism would be cool. But where in hell did you get the idea that past attempts to do so have achieved their greatest successes as the result of "a broad social movement of organizations"? Insurrection has succeeded in the past when people stopped working and started burning shit. Formal organizations have sometimes played an interesting role in these moments (for better or worse), but they did not produce them.

If this was just your own idiosyncratic bad idea, I wouldn't care, but I think it's representative of a much broader trend in North American "radical politics." It's probably a result of the gradual non-profitization of the 1960's New Left. The idea is to "build a movement" by replicating the organizational form of past successes without regard for their content, i.e. the desires, beliefs and habits of the "spontaneous masses" that past movements "organized." As I see it, the chief problem with contemporary anticapitalist movements is not a lack of organizations or even of political "relationship building," but of the less visible forms of self-organization that made our predecessors so much meaner. By taking attack seriously as a mode of self-organization, insurrectionary anarchism corrects for this deficiency in practice. No one's saying it's going to solve everything or win the social war, but we do say it's a necessary starting point.
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Authored by: flagbat on Thursday, April 30 2009 @ 07:53 PM UTC
It's a hoax until someone claims it.
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Authored by: automatonsrevolt on Friday, May 01 2009 @ 01:30 AM UTC
this sounds like someone from the old left lamenting the fact that their politics are irrelevant. I honestly laughed when I got to the part about MLK.
It's too bad because I do think insurrectionism is the most compelling idea in the U.S. anarchist movement right now and am interested in critiques. They do write the sexiest lit in my opinion, but it seems to me like they want a short-cut to revolution that I do think is there (although I hope I'm wrong). Also I think there is a big difference between activism and organizing and insurrectionism is certainly not complementary to the former but it is with the latter. But folks on both sides need to get over this dichotomy of organizing and insurrection, of creation and destruction.

oh yeah, and I'm one of the many badass anarchist women out there who will kick your ass. call me macho if you want.
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Authored by: aden on Friday, May 01 2009 @ 03:08 PM UTC
A series of positions and propositions which are forced to defend the practices of either "activism" or "social war":

Written, perhaps, by some of the architects of the insurrectionary edifice to create for themselves a defensible position - to deflect criticism from other quarters?

slingshot vs. politics is not a banana is like ronald reagan and mike tyson

and reagan is fucking buried, but

politics is not a banana vs. conspiracy is unnecessary

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Authored by: socialrupture on Friday, May 01 2009 @ 07:47 PM UTC
I'm sure this is meant to be a joke.
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Sunday, May 03 2009 @ 12:41 AM UTC
I'm wondering if any insurrectionists/anarchists have read anything written on using the cultural anthropology (i.e.- distinctive, historically rooted cultural understandings) of the U.S. to determine people's ideological responses to certain tensions posed by ecological, social, political, or psychological crises, a la Eric R. Wolf's writings on different cultures and the ways in which their culture informed/drove their responses to crises, as in this book of his "Envisioning Power: Ideologies of Dominance and Crisis"?

Some things just based on assumptions as members of the US culture would be seemingly obvious, but I would like to read things done more systematically on the subject.
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Authored by: Brennus on Sunday, May 03 2009 @ 02:15 AM UTC
Do you refer to the US as a homogeneous population, or do you mean examining how different aspects of the US population are responding to crisis right now (because we are all in crisis, and the response is growing each and every day) based upon their cultural or a-cultural background/s? I mean, I think that generally speaking poor people (and even the rich, though it takes them longer to reach the point) respond to crisis by doing what they must to get by, running around traditional morality & societal norms if need be.
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Authored by: communitycntrl on Sunday, May 03 2009 @ 01:50 PM UTC
I refer to the US as a homogeneous culture.
I mean examining how people with our culture respond to crises now and historically, and comparatively with peoples who've had similar cultures who've been through crises. What are the factors that lead to ideas of collective solidarity in a crisis? Or to individualism? Or to scapegoating? Or to religious revival? Or to civil war? Or to fascism? etc..etc..

I don't think we are in a crisis personally. I think there is a widespread apocalyptic quality to contemporary American culture that sees crisis everywhere.
Oh, and people can't have "a-cultural" backgrounds..... that's impossible.
So, it seems to me when you say people "do what they can to get by," it implies an individualistic approach to resolving crisis, is that right? I think I can agree with that. But I think that there are people who can do a much better analysis of culture and how it will impact a people in times of different types of crisis, and was wondering if anyone knew of any that have done so?

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Authored by: Brennus on Tuesday, June 23 2009 @ 04:27 PM UTC
Gotcha. I'd agree that it's more of a constant state of crisis. We're just experiencing the ebb and flow of capital. I would however say that white culture is an anti-culture; that is, that which generally defines white is 1) power and 2) the relinquishing of culture in order to attain that power. Most white americans spend their entire lives scraping and searching for some inkling of culture, because we have been deprived of it. That's how you get white kids with dreads. That's what I mean when I say a-cultural. Agreed, I'd be interested in such a study.
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Authored by: Pathology on Thursday, May 07 2009 @ 08:32 AM UTC
half the comments on here and equating anarchism and social revolution with rioting. Someone said above "the revolution in greece last year..." Uh, Im sorry, just because Americans dont know how to riot doesn't mean that when we make a riot in Europe it equals a social revolution.

Most of you have almost no praxis. Don't you see, the insurrectionist tradition says that when normal nonpolitical people rise up, we need to be there to inject politics and revolutionary ideas into it. We need to bring our organizations and our social movements into that. And on the other hand, when we are just working on building our social movements, we need to make sure that they remain militant and confrontational. The biggest part missing in all the discussion above is that it takes way more shit base work to get to that point.


Greece was not a fucking revolution, that kind of thing happens all the time outside of the US, don't kid yourselves. If all you're fighting for is the means, you'll never even get your precious 2 hours of fire against the cops. Demand the impossible, then we'll see where it get's us. For now, bring communal and collective ideas into every aspect of our lives, including our political discussion, and stop treating every other poster on here as if they are the one you're fighting against, NOT WITH !
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Authored by: flagbat on Thursday, May 07 2009 @ 03:25 PM UTC
I know this is a speciesist remark, but that's apples and oranges.
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Authored by: veranasi on Wednesday, June 24 2009 @ 11:05 PM UTC
"People need to see that anarchists are not monsters; they are real people proposing real solutions to the problems of capitalism. Don’t get us wrong, activism is fun and engaging, but what these “Social War”ists don’t realize is that real critique requires mature investigation and inquiry into social movements. It requires lengthy reflection of our actions, their repercussions and how they fit into the overall struggle of social justice movements."

A real critique also demands literacy. The IA people own that one. It also demands commitment. Win for them. They also have to be able to engage people where they are... win, again!

My fear about this article is that it has less to do with figuring out logical errors in the IA tendency but rather a loss of power from a failed democratic state.

“it’s being led by a bunch of agro dudes!”
Why do you hate horticulturalists?

"Where is the color in social war? The women?"
Ahem.. engaging in war. Where are you?

"Community centers, self-managed workplaces, and spaces for alternative cultural production are nowhere on their map"

Literacy part two. Insurrectionary Anarchism isn't something that showed up over night. Turgenev's book.. was about... Bakunin.


"“Nothing is more necessary than insurrection,” they write, but what is their commitment to the community? "

Insurrection is a synonym. Insurrection and community are the same struggle.

"The disciples of social war aren’t seriously committed to building long lasting radical institutions such as Food Not Bombs, which has served tens of thousands of free vegetarian and vegan meals to homeless and poor people all across the world"

Does it have to be called FNB? Does it have to be vegan and vegetarian? You realize that social war includes those with Crohn's disease, yes?

"true democracy"
Is that like the 'true equality' the Klan rambles on about? I'm not a democrat.. I don't want your democracy. I want the communization of practices. Wait, isn't that you want but with more rules attached?