Another murder in Russia: Camp attacked by Neo-Nazis

Authored by: Why on Saturday, July 21 2007 @ 09:35 AM UTC

Those scum need to have their heads crushed in, I hope the witnesses (attacked) figure out who they were and then show them swift anarchist-style justice.

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Authored by: sheep on Saturday, July 21 2007 @ 12:18 PM UTC

That is why in cities where these fascists are still weak they need to be confronted every single time they do anything. These assholes are aggressive, violent, and power-hungry. If they are let to do their events without being opposed then they will grow into groups like these. On a side note, if liberals had their way, groups like these would be dominant all over the world.

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Authored by: photos on Saturday, July 21 2007 @ 03:14 PM UTC

VIDEOS:
http://news.ntv.ru/113617/
mms://video.rfn.ru/rtr-vesti/105868.asf

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Authored by: generaluser on Saturday, July 21 2007 @ 03:44 PM UTC

I tell you, it would fill my heart with joy to hear more about nazis getting killed or seriously injured in Russia (Where there seems to be the most of this kind of violence at the moment). Fuck these pieces of shit. The only good nazi is a dead one, no exceptions, no mercy for scum.

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Authored by: makeshift on Saturday, July 21 2007 @ 05:44 PM UTC

Those bastards are lucky I'm nowhere near Mother Russia! Nazi scum always seem to pick on the weaker or smaller groups... I guess it goes hand-in-hand with being a sniveling fascist.

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Authored by: nostalgia on Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 08:53 AM UTC

The situation in Russia is very disheartening. I've never been there so I can't truly understand how terrifying it must be to openly organize as a radical there.

I wonder what radicals in Russia can do to defend themselves from these kinds of attacks. I'm not familiar with the firearms laws in Russia, but, unfortunately, I don't see any other way anarchists can defend themselves than by obtaining (legally), training with, and carrying firearms. The argument that increasing violence will only lead to violent fascist retaliations is somewhat irrelevant as, unfortunately, it seems as though fascists are very proactive in enacting LETHAL violence against radicals for simply serving food to the homeless and protesting nuclear proliferation (oddly enough it's not even as though these attacks are occurring during anti-fascist demonstrations).

40 years ago in Louisiana and across the southern United States blacks obtained firearms to defend themselves against the terror of the Klan, and, in the long run, it proved to be an effective tactic (Deacons for Defense, etc), though the era was not without subsequent police repression and klan retaliations. This is such a difficult situation, as self defense in these situations is dead serious (literally) and the decision to use such extreme forms of protection is difficult to make.

In my city we have had nazis kill a couple of people in the past few years, however, oddly enough, the fascist presence here is extremely small so these events are generally isolated incidents. The small number of fascists coupled with a relatively sizable militant anarchist movement has created a situation where we are rarely on the defensive and conflict with fascists, which rarely occurs, doesn't have to go beyond the level of a couple of smackdowns here and there. However, we would have to take more drastic measures to ensure our self defense if, as we have seen in Russia, the nazi movement became such a strong force that offensive and deadly fascist strikes became a normal part of radical organizing.

Just a thought, I'd like to hear what others have to say about the situation in Russia and hear some suggestions about dealing with increasingly violent organized fascist movements elsewhere.

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Authored by: Cornelius on Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 10:12 AM UTC

First, to nitpick at the historical accuracy of the Deacons for Defense reference: the Deacons and similar groups did not "obtain" firearms for self-defense. Those groups were set up because the people in the community were already armed. Firearms are very much a part of southern culture, even for people of color. Most of the Deacons were former military and had standard issue rifles, and those that weren't had rifles and shotguns for hunting. Sometimes it seems like "enlightened" liberals and radicals are the only unarmed demographics in America. But enough about America, this shit is happening in Russia.

While firearms would be a very effective option, I some how have my doubts that Russia allows carrying a concealed handgun. But then, if I were there, the risk of catching an illegal fireamrs charge might be preferable to the risk of getting beaten to death by a nazi. Cost benefit analyis.

Luckily, firearms are by no means the only option. Learning a martial art/some form of unarmed combat should be a priority for every radical in Russia, and maybe everywhere else too. This article said the nazis didn't use firearms (I don't know what a pnuematic pistol is, but its not a firearm), and nonfirearms weapons can all be defended against by unarmed people with some training.

Also, make shift weapons are bountiful: bicycle u-locks, sports equipment like bats or pool sticks, that huge chain attached to your wallet so you don't lose it, your pocket knife, beer bottles (full), etc. Get creative. If you are camping in the woods, you have every excuse to be carrying that 8" hunting knife. Ultimately the key to winning a fight is the mentality that you are going to win, and that you will do ANYTHING it takes to win, even if you have to bite your enemy's nose off.

The other key is anticipating the fight. Every radical event should have a trained and armed (with something, anything) security detail, whose job it is not to drink, not to party, but to keep alert and watch for the nazis creeping out of the woods or down that alley, so you know they are coming before they hit you. We all know we need a legal team, a media team, a medical team, etc. Now we should all, especially in Russia, know we need a security team to be ready and ruthless in the even of an attack.

Taking anticipation one step further is infiltration. In the US, fascist groups are very individualistic and have a remarkable capacity for dissolving themselves in power grabs, infighting, and whackos. If this isn't the case in Russia, then it is our job to start it. Infiltration is extremely dangerous and difficult, but can yeild amazing results. What if every radicals knew about every nazi ambush a week, day, or hour in advance? They could turn the nazi ambush into an ambush on the nazis. What if every nazi group broke down into factions that spent more time fighting eachother than the radicals? Oh the possibilities.

My two cents.

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Authored by: Al Ligator on Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 02:52 PM UTC

One doesn't have to be anywhere near Russia to respond to this kind of situation.

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Authored by: nostalgia on Sunday, July 22 2007 @ 08:53 PM UTC

No cornelius, you are wrong. While many of the members of the Deacons for Defense were, in fact, military veterans, they nevertheless acquired large amounts of firearms through means of dubious legal merit after the Klan actions began to intensify in Jonesboro, Louisiana. Maybe you should learn your history before you try to "nitpick" at anything. Moreover I'm not sure that I understand why that remark was relevant, the exact time and date that they obtained the firearms is of minimal importance, my point was that they utilized firearms to effectively neutralize right wing paramilitary violence in their town.

I think that everyone knows about improvising weapons. I can definitely say that U-locks have been effectively used in altercations with fascists in my city, and I never leave home without mine. You also mention the use of knives, which I also always carry. You suggest training in self defense, which I can understand (i myself train in brazilian jiu-jitsu and no-gi submission grappling) but you need to look at the situation in russia from a realistic perspective.

Numerous sources (including articles posted to infoshop.org) stated that there are no less than 60,000 neo-nazis in Russia. That's 60,000 of an estimated global population of 120,000 neo-nazis. If you think that a couple of anarchists are going to fistfight their way out of this problem you aren't looking at the situation very seriously. While bike locks and karate chops might be enough to thwart fascist attacks where you and I live, that is clearly not the case in other parts of the world. The nazis haven't used firearms in most of the attacks that we have read about in Russia because they always outnumber their victims by 3 or 4 to 1. In the US we can go hands with nazis most of the time because radicals outnumber them in virtually every altercation. Russia seems to be another reality altogether.

In my experience pepper spray is more effective in these types of situations than blunt instruments, knives, or martial arts training, however, I know that in much of Europe it is illegal to carry pepper spray.

But anyway, back to what's important, solidarity and respect to all of the Russian anarchists who still have the courage to continue the aboveground struggle in the midst of fascist terror and intimidation.

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Authored by: Wolverine on Monday, July 23 2007 @ 11:14 PM UTC

You can also thank the red fascists for making alot of this possible.

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