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SexWhat are your views about massage parlours in Asia? My boyfriend told me that he had paid for sex while in China at a massage parlour. The Foreign Fuck

by SASHA (sex columnist for Toronto Weekly)
http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_02.02.06/theend/lovebites.html

What are your views about massage parlours in Asia? My boyfriend told me that he had paid for sex while in China at a massage parlour. It bothers me to know of this. I know that often women and young girls are forced into the sex trade in Asia and so I feel that paying for sex in places where we may not know if women are there of their own choice, or even how old they are, is exploitative. STACEY

Translation: dear Sasha, please give me ammunition to fling at my disgusting boyfriend who took advantage of reluctant and cheap sex labour in a foreign country.

Before you hitch up that high horse, Miss Stacey, you may want to look around the house at all the products you buy that were created through low-cost youth labour in third-world countries. Just because you didn't finger-fuck the person who made them does not make you a barometer of moral rectitude.

Like everyone in North America, I've been fed the same steady diet of images of destitute 12-year-old girls and boys being sexually exploited by slobbering first-world pedophiles. I have been suitably enraged by such depictions and yet have done absolutely nothing to stop it all from happening. I have, however, supplemented this information with personal anecdotes from political sex workers, and these stories are monumentally different. "What is true is that sex tourism is alive and well," says prostitution activist Jenn Clamen. "People come to Montreal for the same reason. It is also true that there are cases of coercion in every workplace, and that is why we are working to decriminalize the industry, because these cases can be easily identified."

So yes, every country, including ours, has disinclined sex-trade workers (along with a host of others haplessly employed), but this is not the whole story. You may be surprised to know that there is an organization of prostitutes in India called the Durbar Mahila Samanwaya Committee, and one of their objectives is to get Americans to stop sending them money to buy sewing machines. Believe it or not, these people would rather be independent sex workers than labour in filthy, ill-paying factories sewing clothes for Kathie Lee Gifford, and there are 60,000 of them. This same organization publicly criticized the award-winning documentary Born into Brothels. Members of the DMSC were not aware that their children were being filmed, and many found the representation of mothers keen to usher their children into the business sensationalistic.

Clamen says the perception that all Asian sex workers are forced into the trade "is born out of xenophobia and complete ethnocentrism." As the Thai organization Empower collectively writes in an article for the prison issue of the sex-worker magazine ConStellation, "We are seen as empty pages that the anti-prostitution lobbyists and other misled bleeding hearts can write upon. They do not respect us as adult women with full histories, lives, skills, plans, and dreams of our own. They think we are stupid, ignorant and pity us and judge us as powerless. We are not recognized as working women and the family providers who support five to eight other adults. The way we migrant sex workers are perceived and treated as victims of trafficking reflects the attitudes towards our work."

It's the same story everywhere. Anti-prostitution activists refuse to believe that anyone would want to do sex work, and their well-sustained position and tactics often present bigger problems for the workers themselves. From the same article by Empower: "They force us to learn, whether we want to or not, never stopping to consider whether we already have the skills they are so anxious to thrust upon us or not. For example most of us can already sew, weave and cook. In the past the Thai government gave funding to Thai sex workers to start small businesses after we had been re-trained. After 3 to 6 months these businesses failed. The government learned what we already knew: that the economy is flooded with such small businesses." Exit programs in North America present similarly hollow options by way of government-funded, month-long computer courses, offered in exchange for court time. The message is crystal clear: anything is better than being a hooker.

Worse, many women who come to Thailand from other Asian countries are often deported after "rescue and rehabilitation" efforts, sometimes back to countries with military regimes like Burma, countries that don't take at all kindly to their citizens leaving illegally to do sex work. You can read the entire article by Empower online at www.chezstella.org/stella/?q=en/RR, and here are two other websites for you to better acquaint yourself with the diverse realities of sex work in Asia: www.empowerfoundation.org and www.durbar.org. We are inclined when it comes to prostitution -- in a way that we aren't with any other business -- to railroad those with positive experiences simply because others have so clearly been hurt. I often wonder why we can't turn the same ever-vigilant eye to the business of war.
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The Foreign Fuck
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 04:53 AM UTC
The Asian Massage Parlors in the United States do the same thing...we have to condemn forced labor, all of it and not just sex work.
If I live in Bangalore and the only way to feed my family is work in a sweat shop, I'm going to work in the sweat-shop. Same for sex work. The choices capitalism gives: sweat shop and sex work...
But on the 'demand' side, sex workers contribute to a population which is at least not in denial of their sexuality, like catholic priests and most christians who think sex is sinful, instead of a natural attraction. I admire and honor and treat with the utmost respect any woman who has chosen sex work, I bring them gifts and money far beyond what is required in the capitalist transaction.
For a reason I don't understand, the affection of a sex worker is not manipulation, like that of wives and girlfriends...a way of controlling the man... for this, to me, they are doctors who provide the most important medicine to humanity - human affection.

The Foreign Fuck
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 03:56 PM UTC
40 Reasons Why Whores Are My Heroes
---from AnnieSprinkle.org

1. Whores have the ability to share their most private and sensitive body parts with total strangers.
2. Whores have good senses of humor.
3. Whores challenge sexual mores.
4. Whores are playful.
5. Whores are tough.
6. Whores have careers based on giving pleasure.
7. Whores are creative.
8. Whores are adventurous and dare to live dangerously.
9. Whores teach people how to be better lovers.
10. Whores are multi-cultured and multi-gendered.
11. Whores give excellent advice and help people with their personal problems.
12. Whores have fun.
13. Whores wear exciting clothes.
14. Whores have patience and tolerance for people that other people could never manage to put up with.
15. Whores make lonely people less lonely.
16. Whores are independent.
17. Whores teach people how to have safer sex.
18. Whores are a tradition.
19. Whores are hot and hip.
20. Whores are free spirits.
21. Whores relieve millions of people of unwanted stress and tension.
22. Whores heal.
23. Whores endure in the face of fierce prejudice.
24. Whores make good money.
25. Whores always have a job.
26. Whores are sexy and erotic.
27. Whores have special talents other people just don't have. Not everyone has what it takes to be a whore.
28. Whores are interesting people with lots of exciting life stories.
29. Whores get laid a lot.
30. Whores help people explore their sexual desires.
31. Whores explore their own sexual desires.
32. Whores are not afraid of sex.
33. Whores hustle.
34. Whores sparkle.
35. Whores are entertaining.
36. Whores have the guts to wear very big wigs.
37. Whores are not ashamed to be naked.
38. Whores help the handicapped.
39. Whores make their own hours.
40. Whores are rebelling against the absurd, patriarchal, sex-negative laws against their profession and are fighting for the legal right to receive financial compensation for their valuable work.

DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A WHORE?

http://www.anniesprinkle.org/html/writings/whores_heroes.html
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 07:11 AM UTC
I am a Christian with relatively conservative (not Right Wing) theological views, and political views that lean towards anarchism and primitivism. I obviously am not a fan of prostitution or pornography, however because of the examples of Christ treating prostitutes with respect and because Christians are only Biblically called to hold other Christians accountable for their actions, I support the legalization and unionization of sex work.

I just want to clarify one thing, I love sex! In my pre Christian life I had it as often as I could (that doesn't necessarily mean very often) and I was insane about porn.
Then I converted to Christianity and had no sexual contact with anyone until I got married. My wife and I are not living in some fantasy world, however it is wonderful not having to worry about all of the weird emotional uncertainties of sharing a sexual experience with someone who has not agreed to an absolute lifelong committed relationship.

I found out recently that the last person I had sex with before I became a Christian has HPV. Now my wife and I must deal with the lifelong consequences because of one decision that I made. Welcome to reality!

Any way back to me loving sex, as a Christian not only do I love sex, but I also respect sex. Sex is one of the most beautiful things in the world, I will not judge you for what you choose, however I encourage people to not pollute sex by sharing it with anyone who is not committed to them or by mixing it with capitalism.

Love prostitutes unconditionally and make efforts to protect their rights and lives. But if you think that human affection is what is offered by sex workers, then I doubt your level of understanding of Love or capitalism, and you may well find yourself in the same medical predicament that I am in. By the way, HPV can be spread through most forms of sexual contact.

Love freedom, choose well.
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 07:59 AM UTC
Just want to comment here about the "jesus loves..." person.

You imply, near the end of your comment, that someone who sees a sex worker has a good chance of contracting a disease of some sort "HPV." I find that comments like this simply continue to build on the myth that prostitutes are vectors for disease. This is not true. One reason being, that because their work revolves around sex, they do have a much greater knowledge around stds. Second, although I'm sure they don't practice "safe sex" all the time, they most likely practice it on a much higher level than any one else who has sex. Third, obviously for sex workers, hygiene is very important, as it is their body that they use for their work, and if they do run into any problem, be it a cold to anything more serious, they don't have any "sick time" that can cover when they need to rest.

And when it comes to "affection" etc...many clients do treat sex workers with a great amount of respect. Also, most clients are not neanderthals and have a great amount of wisdom and intellect and realize that seeing a prostitute is not a "substitute" for a relationship. They come for the sex, but also appreciate the individual they choose to be with; the hooker might be of a similar background or race, they might speak a common language, they could have similar interests and take a bit of pleasure chatting it up a bit before and after a session etc...Some of the more common reasons for clients to see sex workers are simply because they are lonely yes, because if your some 300lb guy, or socially awkward, widow, immigrant, etc...not many women interested in just sleeping with someone, let alone beginning a relationship. And yeah, sex drives are different between men and women, ie: testosterone. Then there are others who are in relationships, loving ones too, yet the sex is simply not fulfilling or may even be absent from the relationship. Etc...

There are some many people who do things for so many reasons you have to really avoid "generalizing" things...especially if none of your friends or partners are hookers, and if you don't really socialize with any...your knowledge is bound to be very limited, and if your only sources are "stereotypes" are informed by those who have negative feelings about it, well, obviously that will shape your outlook.
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 09:38 AM UTC
HPV is a disease of quantity.

A majority of the worlds population has it, there is no cure (but most peoples immune systems fight it off within a few years), it's highly responsible for cervical cancer (right now there is a big uproar due to a proposed governmet madated use of HPV immunization in highschool students to reduce cervical cancers), condoms cannot protect against it, it sometimes manifests as blisters and warts but oftentimes is not detectable except through a pap smear, there is no test available for men but they can and do carry it and lastly, the more sexual partners you have, the greater chance that you will contract this increadibly common STD.

Cervical Cancer and awareness of it's direct relation to HPV coupled with it's ability to be contracted regardless of condom use/safe sex are why it should be discussed.

In light of all of this I would disagree with your comment.
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 09:48 AM UTC
It's a good thing there's a vaccine for HPV.

It's too bad the christian fundies are trying to keep it from being distributed.
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 10:07 AM UTC
Word!
Clarification
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 03:02 PM UTC
As someone else mentions,
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 03:13 PM UTC
Another comment on my sources: I read this website every day.
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 10:26 PM UTC
If you are a christian you are not an anarchist: you support an imaginary monarchy, managed by a group of people that have been historically just as bloodthirsty and authoritarian as any state in history.
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 05 2006 @ 06:50 PM UTC
As I said I am a Christian with anarchist and primitivist leanings. I am not an anarchist, but I share more political beliefs with them than with liberals or conservatives. Christians have done many terrible things, but science and logic are what gave us nuclear weapons and pollution. We are all inherantly flawed, weak, helpless,and cornered, except for God's grace.
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 07 2006 @ 10:13 AM UTC
So we are inherently flawed weak creatures yeah? But weren't we made in the image of God who is supposed to be good, perfect, etc?

Oh, and science is a tool, a way to find answers it isn't inherently evil as with everything it is the person controling it who dictates whether it is helpfull or harmfull.
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 07 2006 @ 03:57 PM UTC
While I personally preffer less science and technology, I never stated that it was inherantly evil. You may notice that in the first post that I titled ".faithosite si eht opprational fo thought", I quite clearly state "EXCEPT FOR PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS, it is just a chasing after the wind". That doesn't mean that it can never be useful, it just means that I do not think science is the right tool for founding a spiritual life on. I can never prove God to you and you can never disprove God to me. We are the clay, He is the potter, we are limited and thus cannot know why in his perfect wisdom he created people that would choose the Fall.
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 08 2006 @ 09:13 AM UTC
It isn't about your God existing or not, I asked a question about something about Christianity in which I hate, the belief that humans are inherently sinfull, weak with out God.

To me we aren't weak and we should never start thinking that we need a higher power to help us everyminute on our own we have alot of power...
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 08 2006 @ 05:12 PM UTC
Look around you! There is something inherently wrong with us. I Find it so interesting that most of my non Christian friends complain endlessly about people and the mess we are creating, but freak out if someone mentions that we might be sinners. I quit doing drugs (except cigarettes) 5 years before I became a christian, and I have never gone back. That was 5 years of being though as nails on my own, with tons of psychological problems on top of that. But when it came to quiting cigarettes (which where causing me serious health problems) and porn (which I was needing more and more twisted stuff, as I got more jaded) I couldn't do it until the Holy Spirit filled me and I repented. Ever since that day, I have had no serious desires for either, thanks to Gods Grace. Grace is God's most wonderful gift, it has to be experienced for a person to really be grateful to God. By the way, many liberal Christians don't believe that we are born sinners. That and several other theological differences are why I attend a relatively conservative Reformed Church, despite the huge cultural/political differences between me and most of the members.
Clarification p.s.
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 09 2006 @ 12:12 PM UTC
Im done with this I can't my thoughts out properly in posts, all I know is humans have much strength and that we just have to tap into it and not rely so heavily on other beings...
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 01:16 PM UTC
faith is the opposite of rational thought. no one cares who your imaginary god "loves."
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 03:44 PM UTC
Faith is the opposite of rational thought. I agree. I have tried enough of this "rational thought" in my life to have faith that, except for practical applications, it is just a chasing after the wind.
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 10:22 PM UTC
Well then why bother discussing anything at all with a religious person when you openly oppose the method of reaching conclusions based on facts and evidence.
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 05 2006 @ 06:39 PM UTC
ever heard of postmodern philosophy?
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 05 2006 @ 07:06 PM UTC
There is a big difference between recognising the limits of logic and believing fairy tales just because an authority told you they are true. Your god represents a much larger false claim of universal truth than scientificl discourse because science admits what it doesnt know rather than fabricating answers.
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 06 2006 @ 04:26 AM UTC
I will admit that I could very well be completely insane and wrong, I however have had enough experience with insanity (unwanted, and self induced) that I trust my heart more than my often fool brain. I don't really expect any one to believe in Christianity unless they have been filled with the Spirit. Without the Spirit it really isn't that compeling or logical. Thanks to everyone for a good discussion.
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 07 2006 @ 06:53 PM UTC
You cannot disprove the existence of the flying spaghetti monster so I guess you should start worshiping that too.
.faithosite si eht opprational fo thought
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 08 2006 @ 04:19 AM UTC
You are correct except for one detail, which I don't expect anyone to necessarily believe, but absolutly rules my life. It is my relashionship with the Holy Spirit. I did not come to the conclusion one day that Christianity was correct, I was opened to the spirit without even wishinng for it.
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 01:31 PM UTC
you say you are way more happy having sex with your wife because you know she'll be with you forever..... hmmm.... how long have you been married? probably not long. give it a few years and then see what you think about lifelong relationships pledged to your god so that you'll get into heaven. people are not meant to be with one person forever.
t
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 03:32 PM UTC
There is some truth to your comments. You are correct that I have not been married long, however both my parents and, previously, my grandparents are quite positive examples to me of happiness in the life long relationships of people who share Christ. Also you are quite correct that "people are not meant to be with one person forever", from my reading of the Bible, Heaven's perfection means that there is no marriage in Heaven. Sorry I couldn't help that last comment. Thanks for the discussion.
Jesus loves prostitutes more than you do!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 09:06 PM UTC
I'm not the person talking about his relationship and beliefs, but I find it ridiculous to say that people were "not made" to be with a single person. While often times such relationships don't work out, for plenty of people monogamous relationships can be healthy both mentally and physically. As long as the relationship is good for both involved parties, there's no reason it shouldn't go on "forever." To each their own I suppose.
The Foreign Fuck
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 04 2006 @ 11:45 AM UTC
well my atitude is "fuck Work" it's good to see people sharing it.
The Foreign Fuck
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 06 2006 @ 09:00 AM UTC
I to find the reactionary athiests quite silly. The point about what institutionized rationality has done via nukes and stuff is something to remember.

Anyway I certainly don't share the christianity thing(as an athiest myself with pagan eastern mystic sympathies) however anyone who tends toward localized postcivilized substistance economies is an alie for my mind.

I wonder how many 'logical ones' support that.

Wolverine
Fuck Atheists (well sorta, not as people but when they put on airs)
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 06 2006 @ 06:28 PM UTC
Seriously Fuck objectivist atheists representing the anarchist movement!
As if emiricism and atheism don't rely on the same sorts of structures the religion relies on. For example- State Communism, Ethical Culture society, or even Anarchism.
Malls are the temples of our culture, perhaps infoshops are the temples of our subculture. (I can feel the hallowedness of them)
On Anarchism- the same kind of holding up great people like Emma Goldman, Mahkno or Zapata. These figures take on a position similar to that of saints.
Fuck Atheists (well sorta, not as people but when they put on airs)
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 07 2006 @ 12:01 PM UTC
can someone translate the last two posts into non-gibberish for me.

And being an athiest does not mean substituting one set of ghost stories (bible,
koran, torah etc) with a more eclectic and hip set of ghost stories (buddhism,
witchcraft, crystals, faith healing, smoking too much pot etc.)
t
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 08 2006 @ 04:25 AM UTC
I believe that they were trying to say that they are tired of elitist athiests. I think this is a great discussion and thank everyone who participated, however I know theonomists who are more open minded then some of my anarchist friends.
t
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 08 2006 @ 08:07 AM UTC
Why on earth do you expect me and all other queer folks to be accepting of fools who believe ancient fairy tales that condemn us as subhuman? Just give it a rest.
the Christian dude
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 08 2006 @ 06:05 PM UTC
There are many Christians who are hateful, and ignorant of the teachings of the Bible. I am very sorry for the pain that they cause people. I have had gay sex, and feel no differently about it than any of the other sex that I have had.
Don't misunderstand me, I read the Bible daily and (unlike many liberal Christians) see the passages about Homosexuality in both the Old and New Testament. Too many Christians take the Bible in little pieces, instead of looking at how specific passages relate to the whole. I believe every word of it, and that is why I take God seriously when He says through Paul, that Christians must hold other members of the Church accountable to their shared beliefs, but not judge other people. If a Christian judges a non Christian he will be judged by God.
I also believe that individual sins are not the problem, it is our relationship to God. We must be humble and then the Spirit will lead us on a path toward a life without the temtations of the world. This path is never perfected in this life time.
So while I would no longer live a lifestyle that included gay sex, it is because that is a result of the process that I am going through. unless you start declaring that you are a Christian it is none of my business determining your life decisions. That does not mean that I must promote gay sex, but I will defend you right to choose how you want to live.
If a Christian judges you and cites Old Testament Law, inform them that, right next to homosexuality, it says that we should not wear clothes with mixed fibers, and also that Christ fullfilled the Old Testament Law. If they cite passages from the New Testament, tell them to remove the plank from there own eye, and ask them is they are living up to God's Grace.
sorry for the long rant, but it is a complex issue that is hard to explain without either being missunderstood.
Thanks for the comment.
the Christian dude
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 09 2006 @ 05:54 PM UTC
I am most likely done commenting on this stuff for a while. I would really like to thank the people who keep infoshop running for the great resource that they are providing.