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Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions

Anarchist MovementI recently had the opportunity to attend a regularly-scheduled meeting of CAN (the Chicagoland Anarchist Network), where I was able to observe first-hand the workings of a putative "anarchist" group, and I would like to offer here, in this public forum, a brief critique of the event , in the hopes of stimulating further discussion on this topic both within and outside of CAN.

On a warm, sunny Saturday, the CAN members elected to meet in a sterile, dreary third-floor conference room, which, to me, indicated a lack of imagination and spontaneity, since it would have been easy, and pleasant, to carry on the discussion outside at that time.

Although there were no more than a dozen people present, the format of the meeting was (un)surprisingly rigid. As I walked in, I noticed a board off to one side with a list of topics to be discussed, each one being numbered, and with a set number of minutes of discussion time allotted.

In addition, one of the CAN members had been chosen to act as "facilitator", which meant that he decided in what order people would speak, and would time them in order to keep all "discussion" within the schedule.

Given this type of structure, it was virtually impossible for any type of real, spontaneous conversation or exchange of ideas to develop, since people were not so much talking to each other as they were filling up their allotted time with whatever comments they had to make.

So much for the meeting process. As for the content of the meeting, I heard nothing that sounded particularly exciting, inspiring, or thought-provoking. One of the longest topics "discussed" was a proposal for Points of Unity - a kind of group statement of belief, rather like a party program; the question of why a group of anarchists should be interested in such a boring political device was not considered. Several CAN members each offered their own proposed "Point", and each one was extremely bland and inoccuous, which is only to be expected, when one is searching for the lowest ccommon political denominator. They, the "Points", were, in fact, just a typical radical/progressive laundry list.

To sum up, I saw very little at this event to differentiate it from various other leftist meetings I have attended over the years, where group identity and a fetishism for formal structure take precedence over any concern for individual initiative, creative thinking, or spontaneous action.

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Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions
Authored by: Perica on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 11:03 AM UTC
Do you have any suggestions for how it could have been run better? any models you prefer? Or do you just like to whine about problems? A very liberal attitude eh?
Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 01:17 PM UTC
Seriously, man, did you even bring up your problems at the meeting, did you ask why a group of anarchists needs points of agreement, or did you just skulk in the corner then go whine on the internet?
Chuck0's post to Chicago Indymedia
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 11 2005 @ 03:36 AM UTC
I've always found Makhno to be very principled and constructive in his criticisms or organizations and radical process. Makhno is a skeptic who really should be listened to and it's good to see that the discussion here has been very civil.

I've been a big proponent of consensus decision-making for many years and I still advocate it as a very good way to run structured meetings. On the other hand, I've had enough experience with anarchist and activist groups over the years to have learned that you don't use a hammer every time you have a meeting. Many meetings really benefit from the structure of consensus and the standard methods that go with that process. But an over-relaince on these methods can lead to rigid meetings which block communication and alienate people. Sometimes a more informal meeting where people just talk to each other is better than a meeting with stack-takers and facilitators. And the current consensus methods often fly in the face of how some of our people communicate. Consensus can often lead to people trying to prevent conflict and heated words, when sometimes heated words and arguments are cathartic and help communication.

We as anarchists and radicals need to learn how consensus works and doesn't work. We rely too much on one model of consensus, which we got from the anti-globalization movement. We need to be open to creating alternatives which are based on the smae principles of consensus, but which rely on different processes and methods. Finally, we should understand that the people in our community have different ways of communicating. We need to be inclusive and accomodating without sacrificing our principles.
Ted from CAN's response to Chuck0
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 11 2005 @ 03:39 AM UTC
That's all fine and dandy Chuck0, but I don't see CAN as slipping into that alienating position. Makhno made himself perfectly clear when he avoided joining the circle and not asking for any clarification on how things worked.

My main concern is how he has treated Jeannette. From what I've read she feels like shit, at least that's how I interpret her messages, because Makhno took advantage of a situation and had ulterior motives without telling her about them. That's pretty fucked up and I'd like to know what Makhno has done to address this issue. Makhno asserts that we don't need to have principles of unity because that is old boring leftist stuff that has been done in the past. Yet it seems like he walked all over a comrade and a woman and yet tells us that "of course anarchists are for feminism" when he hasn’t publicly stated what he’s done to correct the situation with Jeannette.
My response to Ted from CAN
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 11 2005 @ 03:42 AM UTC
Ted, was it really necessary for you to drag my friend's name into a public discussion? Your attempt to personalize this exchange, to drag it down to the level of mud-slinging insults, is beneath contempt. I will be sure to point out your infantile behavior to Jeannette, for whom you have shown such tender concern. I will also be sure to post your ad hominem attack on Infoshop.org, so that anarchists at large can see just how you operate.
Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 11:14 AM UTC
Why the hell would you go to a meeting and then complain that it was run like... *gasp*... a meeting?!?!

Why didn't you just go run naked through the park, because it seems like that's what your intentions were.
Makhno's Greatest Hits
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 02:13 PM UTC

This person "Makhno" is the same one who, on Chicago IMC, complained in such a petty manner about the fact that the IWW decided to charge people to attend their recent centennary event. [IWW Centenary: The Legacy of the IWW]

Also, the above review seems almost identical to one "Nestor Makhno" wrote THREE years ago about a similar meeting in Chicago... [ Observations On Chicago Direct Action Network]

Odd, eh?

Makhno's Greatest Hits
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 02:36 PM UTC
I do agree that small meetings have no need for direct facilitation. And agendas defenitely can serve to prevent conversation. But seriously... if you have a problem bring it at the meeting. This is infoshop, not a "dear livejournal" blog.
he's got a point
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 02:56 PM UTC
1. I agree w/ the author: it sounds like another dreary meeting, of which I've attended my share. What's really discouraging is that the social infrastructure- agenda, faciliatator, etc., was all put in place beforehand in a situation where it really wasn't necessary.
2. I also agree that the article, such that it is, appears more as insignificant criticism of a local event, rather than documenting a more universal issue. Maybe she/he could have fleshed out the article and made it more pertinent to everyone, such as why people feel it necessary to impose rigid constraints on social interaction during 'A Meeting.'
Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 03:08 PM UTC
From my experience, Makhno is pretty much against meetings and your typical activism, so take his criticism with a grain of salt.

That being said, my feeling lately is that the anarchist movement in the USA has gotten sloppy about how we do meetings and run our organizations. I'm not saying that there is one correct way to do things, but there is a problem with some people assuming that there is one correct way and others who are just lazy and unprepared. I'd say more, but I really think that what I have to say belongs in an article or a pamphlet.

Chuck0
Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions
Authored by: Necrotic State on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 03:34 PM UTC
Structure and a regular process in a meeting that occurs regularly can help with consistency, follow through and making sure that a few loudmouths don't dominate over everyone else. It isn't always necessary and shouldn't be fetishized (no Robert's Rules of Order or anything, please), but it has a place and shouldn't be chucked out the window just because it runs up against ones sensibilities or ideology.

Rotating facillitation, even between topics sometimes, can be useful. Likewise, it is worthwhile to know when to chuck to formality and take advantage of spontaneous energy. It isn't always easy to do, and in truth, I've seen unstructured meetings bog down in chest-thumping, speechifying, irrelevent sidebars and male-domination at least as much as I've seen overly-structured meetings squeeze the life out of an otherwise interesting and worthwhile topic or project. And I've definitely seen the facillitator role abused on more than one occassion, just like I've seen folks take over entire informal meetings for their own purposes.

One thing that I think helps, especially in open groups, is to explain at the begining of the meeting what kind of process is being used and why. People aren't used to democratically run meetings (for lack of a better term), not to mention the very open anarchist style, and they can seem confusing or chaotic to outsiders or new people.

Be willing to experiment and to change styles, but make sure that everyone is comfortable with it if you shift meeting styles. Don't do it quickly, because sometimes people like a certain style of meeting because they can dominate it more easily.

As ChuckO said, I think Makhno just doesn't like meetings, so that's the main thing. Hey, I can sympathize with that (can't we all). I've been in some terrible meetings for all kinds of reasons. But Makhno is too quick to chuck the baby out with the bathwater. To Makhno I would say, why not go back and sit in on a few meetings and get a broader feel for it before you condemn it (if they'll have you back after this article you wrote, that is).

Also, I wonder what direct experience informs Makhno's perspective here. I mean, I know what he doesn't like - but what kind of informal meetings, actions has he participated in that have led him to believe his informal method is the best now and for all time? When someone claims that kind of certainty, I usually assume that its the ideology talking, not real experience.
Chicagoland Anarchist Network: First (and last) impressions
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 09 2005 @ 08:53 PM UTC
look don't bother with this dude. if i find the time to drag myself out of
the house to go to a meeting i would appreciate it if it was well run.
despite mahkno's complaints many of us have lives, kids and work
(gasp, we need to eat!).