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Military recruiting: Bush’s Achilles heel in Iraq

Anti-War ActivismThe recent elections in Iraq — all of the feel-good pictures on TV and rhetoric about freedom and democracy — can’t change the reality that the US military is bogged down in a quagmire in Iraq for which there is no exit strategy. Recall that even though the US organized elections in South Vietnam in 1967, fighting dragged on for another 8 years anyway. There are more and more parallels between the war in Iraq and Vietnam — the US Army may be the most powerful in the world with overwhelming firepower and lots of gadgets, but in a guerrilla war, no amount of violence or killing can bring victory against a determined population. In fact, the presence of 150,000 US troops is widely believed to fuel and unite the insurgency. Military recruiting: Bush’s Achilles heel in Iraq

By PB Floyd

The recent elections in Iraq — all of the feel-good pictures on TV and rhetoric about freedom and democracy — can’t change the reality that the US military is bogged down in a quagmire in Iraq for which there is no exit strategy. Recall that even though the US organized elections in South Vietnam in 1967, fighting dragged on for another 8 years anyway. There are more and more parallels between the war in Iraq and Vietnam — the US Army may be the most powerful in the world with overwhelming firepower and lots of gadgets, but in a guerrilla war, no amount of violence or killing can bring victory against a determined population. In fact, the presence of 150,000 US troops is widely believed to fuel and unite the insurgency.

While there are parallels between Vietnam and Iraq, there is one huge difference which may turn out to be the Achilles heel for the US regime — this time there is no draft: the Army is an “all-volunteer force.” Here in the US, those of us who stand against the US imperial machine need to seize on this weakness and figure out ways to corrode away US military might from the inside by depriving it of what it hungers for the most — fresh American men and women to fill the body bags.

Just like in Vietnam, American troops who originally went to Iraq hoping to help “rebuild” and “bring democracy and freedom” are now coming to realize that the Iraqis don’t want them there, that there is never rebuilding — only killing and destruction — and that all the glorious reasons for the war have turned out to be lies. Most troops just hope to get through their time in Iraq and make it home alive.

There are huge opportunities for US-based opponents of a Yankee empire to cooperate with US troops who are increasingly skeptical about the war. Vietnam ultimately became unwinable because the troops refused to fight — instead, they killed their officers, deserted, claimed Conscientious Objector status, published underground military papers, went on strike, or just stopped trying in a million tiny ways. Folks at home helped where they could — setting up anti-war coffee houses outside bases, doing draft and pre-enlistment counseling, assisting deserters along an underground railroad and undermining domestic support for the war.

A month before the Iraq war, millions of people around the world demonstrated — but Bush held the power, and his ears were closed. As the war drags on, we need to shift from a short-term strategy to a long-term one. Huge turnouts at grandly orchestrated demonstration rituals have not been effective in breaking Bush’s ability to fight. A majority of the population does not support the war — 54 percent according to a January 19 Los Angeles Times poll — yet it continues. Those in power won’t stop it. But if the troops stop fighting — or if the army can’t get fresh troops — Bush will be unable to continue. The troops have the ultimate power in this situation — we need to support our troops by supporting their resistance. The US is risking their lives for nothing — it’s time for them to fight back!

In addition to cooperating with troops already in the military, US-based activists can help cut off the supply of fresh recruits. The US’s military recruiting machine operates in every town, in every high school, across the USA. (See list of recruiting stations, page 14.) The recruitment machine is a soft-target. By carrying out actions at military recruiting outposts all over the US, we can bring the war home and make the real connections between the pointless war in Iraq and our own communities. Why should the US military machine get a free pass here at home?

Since the government ended the draft, the US military has depended on a “poverty draft” to fill the ranks of the military. While the military is theoretically “all-volunteer,” lack of economic opportunities push poorer people into the military — sometimes to get elusive money for college — while middle class kids go straight to college. The military spends $2.5 billion a year on recruiting efforts which primarily target low-income communities selling the message that the military is a good way out of poverty.

As a result, the highest number of recruits come from the poorest communities. For example, according to the American Friends Service Committee, “Puerto Rico is the Army’s number one recruiting territory. With an unemployment rate on the island of more than 40 percent, Army recruiting offices in Puerto Rico garner more than 4 times the number of recruits US based recruiting offices average on a yearly basis.” Blacks are also recruited disproportionately: 29.8 percent of those serving in the first Gulf War were black versus about 12 percent of the US population.

But with over 1,400 US troops killed and over 10,000 wounded in a pointless war — and more getting killed almost every day — the poverty draft is getting less and less effective. For the first time in 10 years, the Marines Corps, which has taken heavy casualties in Iraq, missed its monthly recruiting goal for January. The Army National Guard missed its goal of recruiting 56,000 troops for fiscal 2004, signing up only 49,210. Lt. Gen. H Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, said on January 26 that the Guard is 15,000 troops short of its normal strength of 350,000. In response, the National guard will add an additional 1,400 recruiters, and offer $15,000 signing bonuses. The regular army has so far met its recruitment goals, but all is not well in the ranks.

Stars & Stripes, a government-funded, military newspaper, surveyed 1,935 soldiers in Iraq during August 2003 for a series of articles published in October 2003 and found that 49 percent said they intended to leave the military as soon as possible. Only 18 percent said it was “very likely” they would remain. 55 percent of National Guard Reserve troops surveyed said it was “unlikely” or “very unlikely” that they would re-enlist. Since the article, the military has kept a tight lid on any other polls that would contradict Bush’s official version of reality.

One way the military has tried to maintain troop strength is by issuing “stop loss” orders that prevent soldiers from leaving the military when their contracts expire. Some troops have called the stop loss orders a “backdoor draft.”

Estimates of desertions from the war or AWOL troops range from 600 to 5,500 — the Pentagon refuses to provide any data. Canada is currently considering whether to grant refugee status to a handful of US soldiers fleeing service in Iraq.

Moreover, reports of resistance amongst US troops are beginning to surface. On October 13, 2004, 19 National Guard troops refused orders to drive unarmored fuel tankers to Baghdad — they considered it a “suicide mission.” It was the first reported mutiny in Iraq and was only made public because the soldiers called their families from a detention tent. We’ll probably never know about other mutiny incidents in Iraq.

Troop support for the policies underlying the war has also evaporated. In response to the Stars and Stripes question, “How worthwhile do you think fighting this war was for America?,” 31 percent said it was of “little value” or “not worthwhile at all,” while 48 percent responded that it was “worthwhile” or “very worthwhile.” Thirty-five percent answered that they were either “mostly unclear” or “not clear at all” about why they were in Iraq.

Because of the war, there are increasing murmurs that an official draft — not just the poverty draft — may be needed if the US is to continue the occupation of Iraq. A draft may be even more necessary if the Bush Administration hopes to invade Iran, Syria and/or North Korea over the next four years, as they would clearly like to do. The prospect of a draft rightly scares a lot of draft-age people who don’t much like the idea of either giving their lives for Bush’s adventures or going to jail.

But looking beyond the fear factor, if the military is forced into a draft, it could help crystallize opposition to Bush and his wars. The January 19 Los Angeles Times poll found that only 39 percent of respondents said the “situation in Iraq was worth going to war over,” — with 56 percent saying it was not. What if all segments of American society — not primarily the poor — had sons and daughters in Iraq or headed that way? If voluntary recruitment declines and troops returning from Iraq refuse to re-enlist, Bush is left with a real crisis — if he tries a draft in the context of such an unpopular war, he would be putting domestic social stability at grave risk.

When I saw the new movie about the Weather Underground last year, one line stuck with me. A guy tried to explain his state of mind during the Vietnam war by saying that for years and years, every day he woke up and the first thing he thought was that there was a war on, that people were getting slaughtered for nothing, that the government of the place where he lived was killing them. And so every morning he would think, “What am I going to do today to stop the war?”

And the last few months, I’ve increasingly been waking up the same way. What can I do — what will I do — today to stop the war? Stopping this particular war isn’t just about Iraq — this is about folks who live here in the United States joining the world against the US empire and figuring out how we can turn the fact that we’re here in the belly of the beast to maximum advantage. Even if the US starts to pull its troops out of Iraq, we have to assume that the US just hopes to regroup so it can invade somewhere else.

I like the idea of dogging the military recruiting stations around the country because every town and city has one and you don’t need a big budget or a huge scripted ANSWER rally or anything to go down there and give ‘em hell. You can pick a regular time — say every Saturday — and do a picket. Or you can go at an unpredictable time every week so they never know when it’s going to happen. You can go alone, or with friends, or organize a big group. You can send out a press release and make it a public thing, or you can make your action covert. It can be a picket, handing out flyers, holding posters with gory photos from Iraq à la anti-abortion protests, having street theater, running inside for some light disruption or total outrageous mayhem with fake blood, coffins and a marching band. A lot of different social groups in a community could all hassle the same station in a variety of ways. Perhaps one day there would be veterans, one day high school students, one day mothers, one day clergy, etc. Maybe if your town has 3 high schools, they could run a contest to see which one can do the best protest. And since military recruiters go out to high schools and colleges on a regular basis, students can confront them on campus, too. On January 20, community college students in Seattle surrounded and trashed a recruiters table. The cops had to escort the recruiter’s to safety.

You know how so many towns have a Food Not Bombs chapter and a critical mass bike ride, etc. — what if all these towns went after the recruiters? Anywhere where there’s radicals, punks, free thinkers, freedom lovers — the military recruiters are gonna get hassled. Diversity, spontaneity and creativity are our key strengths in such efforts.

Bush shouldn’t be able to get away with this war just because “only” the poor have to fight it. If an official draft would lead to a national uprising, why are we letting the government get away with a poverty draft — why can’t we have the national uprising now! An all-volunteer Army can be a shield against pointless wars of aggression. To exploit this Achilles heel, we need to support the troops in their refusal and shut down the recruiters!

For more information or for flyers, materials, etc.: contact some of these folks:

• Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors, 405 14th Street #205 Oakland, CA 94612 510-465-1617, www.objector.org; sponsors the GI Rights Hotline (800) 394-9544; (215) 563-4620.

• War Resisters League 339 Lafayette Street New York, NY 10012 (212) 228-0450 fax (212) 228-6193 wrl@warresisters.org

• Veterans for Peace, 216 S. Meramec Ave., St. Louis, MO 63130, (314) 725-6005, www.veteransforpeace.org

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US Army: Watch your back!

Bringing the War Home

The following US Army recruiting stations are in or near areas that have significant radical communities. Therefore, this is a reasonable initial list of recruiting stations that could be targeted for disruptive actions designed to cripple the US war effort in Iraq. A diversity of tactics is in order, ranging from protests, telephone call campaigns and informational pickets to occupations, wheatpasting, graffiti, etc. Folks may want to design theater performances wherein buzz cut potential recruits show up and ask some mighty hard questions about all those weapons of mass destruction and the “don’t ask, don’t tell policy.” The recruitment arm of the military is essential to the functioning of the whole machine — they shouldn’t get a free ride here in the US while the slaughter continues in Iraq. Get together with your friends, use you’re creativity and don’t get caught!

Arizona
• Tucson: 2302 E. Speedway Blvd. # 112, Sun, AZ 85719, 520-326-6957
• Phoenix: 1647-C West Bethany Home Road, Phoenix, AZ 85015, 602-249-2320

California
• Oakland: 2116 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94612, 510-835-7985
• San Francisco: 670 Davis St, Golden Gateway Common # 111, San Francisco, CA 94111, 415-433-4512
• San Diego: 4150 Mission Blvd. #. 159, San Diego, CA 92109, 858-273-3781
• Los Angeles: 2700 Colorado Blvd # 149, Los Angeles, CA 90041
• Santa Cruz: 2121 41st Ave # 204, Capitola, CA 95010, 831-464-0461
• Eureka: 3220 S. Broadway Suite A-13, Eureka, CA 95501, 707-443-3019

Colorado
• Denver: 130 Tivoli Student Union, 900 Auraria Pkwy Unit 130, Denver, CO 80204, 720-904-2174
• Boulder: 3055 Walnut St, Palm Gardens Shpg Ctr, Boulder, CO 80301, 303-442-1751

Connecticut
• New Haven: 161 Orange Street, New Haven, CT 06510, 203-624-3312

Florida
• Gainesville: 3218 SW 35th Blvd, # D, Butler Plaza, Gainesville, FL 32608, 352-335-5600
• Pensacola: Southgate Plaza, 528 N. Navy Blvd, Suite C., Pensacola, FL 32507, 850-458-9996
• Miami: Boulevard Shops, 1401 Biscayne Blvd, # 1490-D, Miami, FL 33132, 305-371-8755

Georgia
• Atlanta: 650 Ponce De Leon, # 640-B, Midtown Place Shopping Center, Atlanta, GA 30308, 404-685-9994

Illinois
• Chicago: 1239 N Clybourn Ave, Suite 226, Chicago, IL 60610, 312-202-0430
• Champaign/Urbana: Plaza West, 1615 Springfield Ave, Champaign, IL 61821, 217-356-2838

Indiana
• Indianapolis: 302 Washington Pointe Drive, Indianapolis, IN 46229, 317-898-3032
• Bloomington: 327 S Walnut St # 102, Bloomington, IN 47401, 812-333-0240

Kansas
• Olathe: 115 South Clairborne, Olathe, KS 66062, 913-764-2113

Louisiana
• New Orleans: 514 City Park Ave, New Orleans, LA 70119, 504-488-6672

Maryland
• Baltimore: 1253 W. Pratt Street # D, Mountclair Junction Shopping Ctr, Baltimore, MD 21223, 410-727-2769

Massachusetts
• Boston: 141 Tremont Street, Boston, MA 02111, 617-426-6488
• Western Mass: Big Y Plaza, 485a Newton Street, South Hadley, MA 01075, 413-533-2501

Minnesota
• Minneapolis: 9 Sixth Ave South, Hopkins, MN 55343, 952-935-3000

Missouri
• Kansas City: 3909 S. Main Street, Kansas City, MO 64111, 816-561-0613

Nebraska
• Lincoln: Military & Naval Science Bldg, Rm 205, 14th & Vine Sts, Lincoln, NE 68588, 402-472-4602

New York
• Manhatten: 688 6th Avenue 2nd Flr, New York, NY 10010, 212-255-8229

North Carolina
• Durham: U.S. Army Recruiting Station, 3400 Westgate Dr, Westgate Plaza, Durham, NX 27707, 919-490-6671

Ohio
• Oberlin: 300 Broadway Ave, Lorain, OH 44052, 440-245-6351
• Toledo: Miracle Mile Shopping Center, 4925 Jackman Rd, Toledo, OH 43613, 419-292-0358

Oregon
• Portland: 1317 NE Broadway St, Portland, OR 97232, 503-284-4005
• Eugene: Santa Clara Shopping Center, 65-J Division Avenue, Suite D, Eugene, OR 97404, 541-345-3877

Pennyslvania
• Philadelphia: Auerbach Bldg, 125 N. Broad Street, Philadelphia, PA 19107, 215-568-1921
• Pittsburgh: 3712 Forbes Avenue, 2nd Floor, Pittsburgh, PA 15213, 412-683-1057


Tennessee
• Knoxville: 168 N Seven Oaks Drive, Windsor Square Shopping Center, Knoxville, TN 37922, 865-690-0473

Texas
• Austin: 2025 Guadalupe, Ste 258, Dobie Mall-Ut Campus, Austin, TX 78705, 512-472-7616
• Houston: River Oaks Plaza Shopping Ctr, 1432 West Gray, Houston, TX 77019, 713-942-0120

Virginia
• Richmond: Shops At Willow Lawn, Store 301d, 1602 Willow Lawn Drive, Richmond, VA 23230, 804-285-6690

Washington
• Olympia: 400 Cooper Point Rd Ste Cv6, Olympia, WA 98502, 360-943-3732
• Seattle: 2301 S Jackson St Ste 205, Seattle, WA 98144, 206-324-3437

Washington, DC
Franklin Ct Bldg, Box 18 1099 14th Street Nw ( L St. Entrance), Washington, DC 20005, 202-761-4344

Wisconsin
• Madison: 73 University Square, Madison, WI 53715, 608-255-4684
• Milwaukee: 3133 N Oakland Ave, Milwaukee, WI 53211, 414-963-4727

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Military recruiting: Bush
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 10 2005 @ 01:43 PM UTC
Targeting of military recruiters is definetly something that needs to happen right now.

The right way to go about it is to use a comprehensive strategy - public demos, harassment, wheatpasting, talking to potential recruits, and basically just exposing recruiters for the lying scum that they are.


Anyone who wants some pamphlets directed to people who might consider joining the military should email dirtykaw at yahoo.com - there are a few different ones, and they're pretty decent, and I'll gladly send some out for free.

Maybe somone could organize a website or something to coordinate this type of action?
Military recruiting
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 10 2005 @ 04:16 PM UTC
WWW.MILITARYOFFCAMPUS.ORG

going up monday, the website of Students Against the
Militarization of Youth. It will have resources such as links to
where you can find counter-recruitment materials, ideas on
starting your own campaign, forums to discuss counter-
recruitment strategy, and expect a 16 page gloss brocure in
spring for those who are "Considering Being A Soldier?".

-Students Against the Militarization of Youth
cod_samy@yahoo.com
Students Against the Militarization of Youth
Authored by: GameDreamer on Friday, February 11 2005 @ 07:20 AM UTC
The TJS Underground Network would like to extend a hand (or many) to the Students Against the Militarization of Youth organization. If there is anything we can do, please let us know (graphics, 3D, posters, distribution, or anything else)! We have been trying to do the same thing here in Mentor for a long time.
Solidarity,
-TJSUndNet-
[E-mail]: gamedreamer@gmail.com
[URL]: http://tjs.5u.com/custom3.html

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Students Against the Militarization of Youth
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 17 2005 @ 05:21 PM UTC
i update and add content to http://arizonacrc.org. we have some good resources there, if anyone would like to check it out.
Military recruiting
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 13 2005 @ 09:41 AM UTC
you don't need to have been in the military to figure out why people are pissed at the govt and the people like you guys who work for them and lie to kids to try to get them to join the military. They get shipped over to Iraq or whereever, get shot up or killed, and end up back in the states blinded, missing arms and legs, fucked up in some other way or dead, all for lies told by george bush and dick cheney. then the va won't treat them or they get stuck at ft campbell in some shitty barracks or someplace, and then they end up out on the streets. then the govt tries to screw them out of their veterans benefits. yeah, sure, be all you can be,...
oops, fucked up, sorry - this is for the recruiters not you guys....
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 13 2005 @ 09:44 AM UTC
see title
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 10 2005 @ 07:51 PM UTC
I'm opposed to the war and I believe anarchists and others should inform potential recruits of the dangers of enlisting. This will stop further U.S. militarist adventures.

However, anarchists and radicals are totally misreading what's happening in Iraq.

The population is clearly opposed to the U.S. occupation, but they are not actively supporting the insurgency. The insurgency is mostly made up of people who fear losing power or are ideologically driven by religious fundamentalism to fight the occupation. It is not nationwide resistance. Kurd politcal leaders have been assasinated, Shi'ite clerics have been assassinated, workers rebuilding the infrastructure have been killed, etc, etc. This is the work of people who fear change and progress.

The insurgents kills more Iraqis per day than they do U.S. troops. This is civil war, not guerilla resistance. This is not Vietnam. (Don't forget the insurgents detonated an IED that killed 18 children).

The fact that millions of Iraqis risked their lives to vote in the elections does mean something. The Iraqis want to establish politcal control over their lives and end the occupation by creating a new Iraqi society.

The Iraqi people are trapped between two bad choices: the insurgency (made up of the old regime and foreign Islamic fundamentalists) and the U.S. occupation.

They want freedom from both forces of tyranny. They want to control their own destiny free of the past and free of foreign influences.

This is called self-determiantion.

Let's hope the Iraqi people achieve peace and freedom in Iraq while we keep Americans from joining the Bush war machine.
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, February 11 2005 @ 06:09 AM UTC
i'm under the impression, and i may be wrong, that the people being predominantly targeted by the insurgency are not US troops, but People signing up to be US hand puppets through the Iraqi Police.

As far as the insurgency being an islamic fundamentalist or old guard run thing, they maybe, but i believe i heard that the people that are being confirmed elected now are pushing for a government whose laws are based solely on Islam, i'm failing to see the difference.

I'm willing to say that the US has killed more children in Iraq than the insurgents could ever hope to (if that was there goal, which it seems to not be). If you were living in your home and you had the choice of having your children killed by arial bombing, starvation, cluster bombs, land mines, over zealous bigots, etc, and a really good chance that it would happen, or people taht you are more likely to be able to relate to, have similar life experiences to you, grew up in the same region and don't come at you with a pre-disposed "camel jockey, sand nigger, terrorist" mentality, which would you choose? Which one do you think that you would be able to handle better? Which fight is more winnable?
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, February 11 2005 @ 04:43 PM UTC
Patriotism is a lie created by those who seek to benefit from state power. Yea, we have the "right" to protest... The "right" to be brutalized by pigs. Fuck the law, fuck the cops....
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 09:46 AM UTC
Do you guys think that all recruiters "choose" to stay in the states to recruit. I am a recruiter, and would much rather be in Iraq with my fellow soldiers. About 90% of recruiters get selected by the Department of the Army to do this job. I didn't choose to be a recruiter but I did choose to join the Army. If I have to recruit for three years before I can go back to my combat job, then that's what I'm going to do. You guys need to get your facts straight before trying to organize a protest against recruiters.
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2005 @ 11:28 PM UTC
Either way we want to put you out of a job.

Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16 2005 @ 01:43 PM UTC
You're not smart or strong enough to put me out of a job. It would be a mistake to come to my recruiting station, or try to intimidate me at a high school or college. If you hate the government and the military so badly, why don't you move to one of these countries that you're supporting. Get the hell out !
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Admin on Wednesday, February 16 2005 @ 02:14 PM UTC
We are smart enough and strong enough to put you out of a job. If anything there are many of us who are nagry enough to interfere with your job. Just look at the recruiters who are being run off campuses right and left.

College campuses and high schools are not places for people to come in and solcit people to go commit murder. Get off our campuses now!
An Opinion of a Patriot
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 03:15 PM UTC
I would like to know where people on this web site get their information. Most of you are probably high school and college students. That means that you don
An Opinion of a Patriot
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 11:05 PM UTC
A wide range of people visit this website, not just teenagers. Most of us oppose the military and are interested in stopping military recruitment. If this means that recruiters like you can't entice young people to become trained murderers, then we are doing the right thing.

Many of us are very pleased to hear how the U.S. military continues to fail its recruiting goals. Hopefully with more widespread dissent within the military, we can have the U.S. military in complete chaos by the end of this year. The world will breathe a huge sigh of relief when we finally manage to bring all of the troops home from all over the world.
An Opinion of a Patriot
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 11 2005 @ 11:15 AM UTC
As an army recruiter i can honestly say you do not and will not ever intimidate me i work at a small staion but would welcome you to come out and bring all your sorry freinds with you if your scared just say your scared
Response to Bush's Achilles Heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 13 2005 @ 12:21 PM UTC

I am a Soldier and a Recruiter who does not agree with the debacle we have created and nurtured in Iraq. I also think many excellent points were made in the article "Bush's Achilles Heel...". However, targeting military recruiters is not only ridiculous, it's self-deprecating and inherently stupid and I'll tell you why: The US needs a strong military, always has, always will (well, not in a perfect world, but that is not where we live). Secondly, making lives harder on Soldiers will not accomplish what you want. Soldiers defend Freedom in many different instances and places, WHETHER THEY THINK IT IS RIGHT OR NOT!! The only reason we are able to think, act and behave how we want is become some brave men and women gave their lives in some war, situation or century. How about choosing the harder and tougher fight, concentrating your efforts and brainstorming against the people who misuse and abuse the power they have, not the people who are risking it all and honoring their commitment. Also, I believe that the military is a great choice for a wide array of people, from those with no direction or less affluent backgrounds to others who need discipline, respect and integrity and also because we all live under the banner of freedom and all should contribute to it. One major problem I have with the article is the way the author uses the word "elusive" in reference to the military's pay educational and monetary benefits. They are not elusive: up to $70,344 for college (tax free), up to $20,000 bonus and up to $65,000 student loan repayment (taxable). I see your underlying message of wanting to help those out who share the view of truth and justice including those currently in uniform but try and place yourself (it is hard when you really aren't) in the position of someone who has sworn an Oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the US and follow orders from those appointed over them. This administration is to blame for where we find ourselves and the repercussions should be borne by them not the Soldiers.
In progress
Authored by: GameDreamer on Friday, February 11 2005 @ 07:06 AM UTC

Hell yeah! I'm doing everything I can to get the recruiters out of here (Mentor High School). They show up 4 days out of the school week (sometimes all 5 days) and look like a bunch of S.S. officers 'tagging' Jews during the holocaust. I'm fucking sick and tired of it. I think I'll make it a "tradition" that every time I walk by the recruitment table on my way to class I'll yank the "decorative cloth draping" off the table, spilling all the propaganda on the floor along with it. Yeah.... that's what I'll do.

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In progress
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 09:18 AM UTC
Do you guys think that all recruiters "choose" to stay in the states to recruit. I am a recruiter, and would much rather be in Iraq with my fellow soldiers. About 90% of recruiters get selected by the Department of the Army to do this job. I didn't choose to be a recruiter but I did choose to join the Army. If I have to recruit for three years before I can go back to my combat job, then that's what I'm going to do. You guys need to get your facts straight before trying to organize a protest against recruiters.
Go ahead and do it
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 10:32 AM UTC
I wouldn't suggest it. The last time a student at the local community college yanked the table cloth off of the Army Recruiters table...he was kicked off of Campus permanantly by the Dean.
Wanna counter the recruiters?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 01:55 PM UTC
in response to whatever flashy presentation they give, play one of the drill sergeant scenes from Full Metal Jacket.
Thin-skinned military recruiters
Authored by: Admin on Saturday, February 12 2005 @ 04:05 PM UTC

Evidently this article has provoked the ire of a few military recruiters. I removed several of their posts, but I've decided to leave the rest up in all their naked, venomous glory. Military recruiters are basically soliciting young people to commit murder and they have been so insulated by the propaganda needed to make their work possible that they seldom here dissenting opinions. If these military recruiters are typical, then it looks like campaigns against military recruiting are the way forward for the antiwar movements.

Here's another military recruiter rant sent directly to the Infoshop collective:

From: werner_a_arnold@yahoo.com

First off were do you come off publishing such a worthless useless bunch of stuff such as this article? I am a member of the Armed forces and have been for many many years, and proud of it I might add!!! The useless communist scum, libral butt sucker that wrote this article needs to be taken out and shot for what he or she said about the US Army!!!!!!! That person being PB FLOYD!!!! I am also a US Army Recruiter and take great offense against the comments and lies this useless piece of )(&^%^$ said. Asking people to raise up against there own country and telling people to fight against their own government in my opinion is treason and if I could I would be judge, jury and hangman for Mr. PB Floyd myself. To call our president what he did is not only an insult but it is a stab in the back to all those soldiers that served and died for this country throughout our great history. We have fought on my soils and different countries, and died for one believe. That all of ma n kind need to be free and have a choice to believe, practice religion, and believe in themselfs. The librals of this country need to step back and think about what this nation has done not only for itself but for the whole world. Our soldiers no matter rich or poor fight and die for the believe that what they are doing is right. Anyone who thinks they can do better should do so and come down to a recruiting station and sign up!!! Then let them go through what our great soldiers are going through. Mr. PB Floyd need to be the first one so that if someone does get shot, blown up or taken prisoner he will be the first. Hopefully he will DIE in the process so that we as free loving AMERICANS won't have to listen to such a PIG!!!!!!!!!! On a personal note should MR. PB FLOYD have the guts to take me up on this challenge I would love to be his recruiter and put him into the ARMY. In addition should we stop recruiting were do you think that will take us. Is the United States of America ready for another draft? No, however what the US Army has to offer for college money and jobs is the best thing that could happen to anyone since it gives people a start in life and helps to establish themselfs later in life. It does not matter who takes advantage of this!!! If your rich or poor the US Military is here to protect our nation and to our duty to god and country no matter the sacrifice!!!!!!!!!! However MR. PB FLOYD is spineless and has no honor or sense of loyalty!!!!!! He I am sure would run to Canada and there I hope rote!!!!!! Our country is made up of so many different back grounds that no matter what type of soldier we have no matter the color, race or religion. We fight and die under one flag and that being the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!! I challenge anyone to speak out against such stupid stuff as to what MR. PB FLOYD has said.

To which I responded:

It's interesting that this one article has prompted such anger from military recruiters. This suggests that going after military recruiters is the best strategy right now for the anti-war movement. There is a growing movement to kick military recruiters off of high school and college campuses.

We are anarchists who are opposed to the U.S. military. Our goal is the total elimination of the U.S. military and the American government (we oppose all other states too). What's more, many of us are military veterans, so don't run that "hippie peacenik" stuff past us. Many of us without military experience own guns. Some of us have friends and family who currently serve in the military.

The U.S. military has to be pulled out of the world ASAP. In the meantime, we will continue to "support the troops who shoot their officers." We encourage military personnel to rebel against their officers and do whatever they can to disrupt the war machine. We are also committed to ending military recruitment wherever it takes place.

You have a lot of nerve as an active solicitor for murder to come to us with your complaints. People such as yourself are war criminals who belong in a dark, forgotten jail cell!

Chuck

Thin-skinned military recruiters
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 11 2005 @ 11:20 AM UTC
well bring youe sorry ass and all your guns on and i will preserve my space in that cell
Military recruiting: Bush
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 01 2005 @ 11:50 AM UTC
My two best friends are anarchists who are ex-military. As well, I have a host of friends who are ex-military, including one who is out of the country to avoid being sent to Iraq.

I am no anti-gun crusader. I come from a long line of hunters.

I find it ridiculous that the neo-cons call us physically unfit. That was certainly not the activists I saw in Seattle 1999.

However, I encourage my fellow activists to engage in a daily excercise program. It never hurts to be more physical. Being at _peak_ performance can mean an escape from the authorities.

I find it ridiculous to be attacked for playing D&D. I bet most anarchists out their don't play this game. I do play on occassion. Its an odd attack because D&D as well as magic is enormously popular in the military.

U.S. out of Iraq, U.S. out of Cascadia, U.S. out of North America.

Draft resistence is a proud tradition.

I love my country and defend it against the government, all governments.

I figured military recruiters would be more articulate than the typical drooling neo-con cheerleaders.
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 16 2005 @ 03:29 PM UTC
As a career military man I just don
Military recruiting: Bush
Authored by: sheep on Tuesday, March 01 2005 @ 01:11 PM UTC
Before anymore military recruiters come in here and enlighten us with their wonderful words please make sure:

1.) that you know how to spell correctly.

2.) that your sentences make sense.

3.) that you can write one sentence without using words such as "pigs" and/or other insults.

4.) that you are as nice and diplomatic as you are with the students that you lie to when you are talking about the army to them.

5.) when you are done with a paragraph, hit the enter button so I can read what you are saying instead of a mass of messed up crap that I don't bother reading.

It is very disconcerting to know that the same people who recruit others into the military are so uneducated to the point where they can't spell/write/speak proper english. But I guess that explains why you are in the military in the first place...not much education leads to ignorance and arrogance and you end up doing nothing but following orders because you can't use your brains to think for yourselves.

Just a question:
did any of you even finish high school?
The amount of immaturity and chutzpah you guys possess is unbelievable.

I see one of you called us communists. You're funny, very funny. You wish we are communists. We are anarchists.

You are lucky that anarchism is not as large as it could be because if it was then you would know what we really are about...you would find bombs hidden under your recruitment tables.

Don't come here and unload your uneducated, pathetic crap. I would usually laugh but you guys post such bullshit that it angers me that human beings have sunk so low and have become so stupid that it make me feel like smacking you each a good one.

Do the world a favor and hang yourselves!
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 11 2005 @ 11:28 AM UTC
You think your so smart well for one your like a child vey impressionble did your college proffessor teach you how to be anti govt? I learned more in one year in the army than my four years in school so get a job or if you dont like our country get the fuck out
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, March 12 2005 @ 04:17 PM UTC
But apparrently didn't learn that run-on sentences are hard to read.
Military recruiting: Bush's Achilles heel in Iraq
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 17 2005 @ 12:48 PM UTC
How can you tell when a recruiter is lying?

Their lips are moving!

I know it's really bad but hey, it is often repeated by many soldiers and veterans I know!! Even DI's hate recruiters- that's Drill Instructors to those unfamiliar with military terminology.

It has become painfully obvious that recruiters know their numbers game is up- their frustration is evident on this board alone. They work long ass hours, many weekends, for what? NOTHING! Nobody wants to sign up no matter how much $$$$$$$ you throw at them.

To recruiters out there, take Jimmy Massey's lead-a former recruiter, served in OIF, now a proud member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.

The days of the US military taking over the world are pretty much done for- thank you Iraqi resistance for saving the world and stopping this monster in its tracks. Now let's end the occupation of turtle island (America), indigenous warriors unite! Che VIVE!