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Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper

Punk Planet 56

A few months back, I was at a Strike Anywhere show. The band launched into “Refusal”; a song offering solidarity with the feminist movement and bearing witness to the inherent struggle in women’s lives. It is not a song of protection; there is no romantic undertow. It’s a song about all people being equally important. Everyone was dancing, fanboys and girls at the lip of the stage screaming along—like so many shows at the Fireside. By the first chorus of the song, I was in tears. I have often been so moved to shed small wet tears at Strike shows, but this time was for AN entirely different reason—A mournful new awareness: I am here, at the Fireside Bowl probably 75 times a year for the last five years. The numbers of times I have genuinely felt, or even sensed my reality or the reality of the women I know portrayed in a song sung by male-fronted band— that number was at zero and holding. The ratio of songs/shows/expressed sentiment-to-affirmation of feminist struggle/girldom is staggering. This song was the first.

No wonder most of my girlfriends and I have being growing increasingly alienated and distanced from our varying scenes, or have begun taking shelter from emo’s pervasive stronghold in the cave-like recesses of electronic, DJ or experimental music. No wonder girls I know are feeling dismissive and faithless towards music. No wonder I feel much more internal allegiance to MOP songs, as their tales of hood drama and jewelry theft FEELS far less offensive than yet another song from yet another all dude band giving us the 411 on his personal romantic holocaust. Because in 2003, as it stands, I simply cannot conjure the effort it takes to give a flying fuck about bands of boys yoked to their own wounding AKA the genre/plague that we know as E-M-O. Songs and scenes populated with myopic worldviews that do not extend beyond their velvet-lined rebel-trauma, their bodies, or their vans. Meanwhile, we’re left wondering how did we get here?

As hardcore and political punk’s charged sentiments became more clich(c) towards the end of the ‘80s—as we all soon settled in to the armchair comfort of the Clinton era—Punk began stripping off its tuff skin and getting down to its squishy pulp heart. Forget bombs and the real impact of trickle down economics, it’s all about elusive kisses and tender-yet-undeniably-masculine emotional outbursts. Mixtapes across America became soiled with torrential anthems of hopeful boy hearts masted to sleeves, pillows soaked in tears, and relational eulogies. Romance of the self was on.

I think somewhere right around the release of the last Braid record, is where we lost the map. Up until then, things seemed reasonable, encouraging, exciting—thus far we were sold on vulnerability, there was something revivifying in the earnestness. New bands cast their entire micro-careers from bands we all liked: Jawbox, Jawbreaker, Sunny Day Real Estate etc. In those bands, there were songs about women, but they were girls with names, with details to their lives, girls who weren’t exclusively defined by their absence or lensed through romantic-spectre. Jawbox’s most popular song, “Savory” was about recognizing male normative privilege, about the weight of sexualization on a woman (“see you feign surprise / that I‘m all eyes”). In Jawbreaker songs women had leverage, had life, had animus and agency to them. Sometimes they were friends, or a sister, not always girl to be bedded or pursued or dumped by. They were accurate, and touched by reality.

And then something broke—And it wasn’t Bob Nanna’s or Mr. Dashboard’s sensitive hearts. Records by a legion of done-wrong boys lined the record store shelves. Every record was a concept album about a breakup, damning the girl on the other side. Emo’s contentious monologue—it’s balled fist Peter Pan mash-note dilemmas—it’s album length letters from pussy-jail—it’s cathedral building in ode to man-pain and Robert-Bly-isms—it’s woman-induced misery has gone from being descriptive to being prescriptive. Emo was just another forum where women were locked in a stasis of outside observation, observing ourselves through the eyes of others. The prevalence of these bands, the omni-presence of emo’s sweeping sound and it’s growing stronghold in the media and on the Billboard chart codified emo as A SOUND, where previously there had been diversity.

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comment by mir
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 01:42 PM CST
Check this out for feminism if you want to help introduce the (real) concept of feminism to teen girls, a group who really matters in the feminist movement.

http://magazineproject.org
comment by Carlo Tresca
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 30 2005 @ 06:18 PM CST
Exactly! I've never heard it put so well before. Emo isn't 'sensitive'.... it's selfish! I mean, my god. The girls aren't even given names any more.

comment by electronic music fan
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 01 2005 @ 04:16 PM CST
Rock isn't dead, Punk isn't dead, Hell even Ska isn't dead. People just give up.
comment by thanks for the hahas
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 05 2007 @ 08:26 PM CST
so youre saying that in no way shape or form does the music scene alienate girls?
comment by
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 04:43 PM CDT
fuck sprock rock
comment by a man
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 04:50 PM CDT
Fuck Emo in the Neck...the losers should get over it and get a life. \"oh I feel so fucking sorry for myself that she doesn\'t like me anymore.\" boo-hoo. I need more from music than someone\'s self pity. I\'ve got enough shit in my own life to put up with someone else\'s...all emo does is bring people down and re-live bad memories.
comment by
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 05:15 PM CDT
it\'s not just girls getting fed up with punk and hardcore. shit is stale, boring, dominated by young white males, spectator-inducing, idol-creating bullshit. the part about diy and empowering people to be themselves and do their own thing is pretty dead now.

people learn the punk and hardcore scenes are not the only places the diy spirit and political diversity exist, for the most part those scenes don\'t even have that anymore.

i remember getting into punk about the time ska-punk was at its peak...even though that music was light-hearted and fun, it seemed like other parts of the scene were much more political, socially conscience and really believed in diy and trying to empower everyone possible. the \"emo\" thing began to come, and to me it didn\'t seem like something that would be a big thing or last very long (what was it then anyway?), but today there are more \"emo\" bands on mtv and the radio than pop-punk. non \"emo\" is synonymous with watered down punk/indie-rock music with lyrics about girls and breaking up...standard rock band setup, slightly more fashionable (or fashionably less adventurous) band members, etc.

it seems more like now these genres are just a right-of-passage for white suburban youth, beginning with teen-pop then pop-punk then emo (or hardcore/metal) and then indie-rock. all of the threatening aspects of the music they originated from conveniently stripped away and made safe for mainstream culture and big music corporations.

i wasn\'t an \"emo\" hater, i listened to what i liked, but i grew bored with it along with most of the other punk and hardcore scenes. i have no other reasons to feel attached to those scenes since everything besides the music has been stripped away from them. it seems like most of the people my age who were once into all of that as well feel the same way about it now (except those still hanging on to indie-rock).
comment by Flint
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 05:35 PM CDT
Here\'s too the \"cave-like recesses of electronic, DJ or experimental music\" :)
comment by Stan
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 05:38 PM CDT
i think the problem with emo is the uh, \"emo\" part. i mean, punk can be political, angry, stupid, sad, happy, nazi. emo is just emo.

dammit emo kid, do not cry. cheer up already!
comment by electronic music fan
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 06:37 PM CDT
ladies, welcome to the \"cave-like recesses\"... it\'s been a sausage party for way too long! ;)

rock is dead!
comment by mir
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 07:28 PM CDT
btw, fuck glamour - freetekno!

http://www.freetekno.org/
http://freetekno.toronto.on.ca
http://havocsound.cjb.net
http://www.renegadevirus.org
comment by thanks for the hahas
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 07:49 PM CDT
\"No wonder most of my girlfriends and I have being growing increasingly alienated and distanced from our varying scenes . . . \"

That\'s called growing up, not patriarchal oppression.
comment by Carlo Tresca
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 09:55 PM CDT

Fuck yeah! In homage, I\'m gonna listen to \'Spoon and Fork\' by Think Tank.
comment by Backlash
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 09:20 PM CDT
Strike anywhere has brought me to weepy eyes on more than one occassion as well. This is coming from someone whose latest album purchases have been among, Scum Brigade, Deaththreat, Behind Enemy Lines, Social Crime, Assfort, etc. I think that they (Strike Anywhere) has the ability to do this; because even though they play catchy,emo,poppy songs... they have managed to do what other bands have not done, when they \"make it big.\" (and get an R.V. to tour in as opposed to a van.) These guys songs are truly from their hearts.
I\'m certain a rash of people will read this and say \"fuck \'em anyways, they don\'t play punk music.\" Yes by my standards of punk I would agree. But at the same time alot of the anarchists I know are not \"crust core\", or \"punk\" nature. They don\'t get it, like it, or purchase it. However some of them goto some shows in suppoprt of the more politically motivated bands that land our town while touring. It\'s about the message, even if it\'s not a favored style of music.
Case-in-point, a housemate of mine goes to shows everynow and then if we talk well of the bands message. I would say her most closed minded side is to punk music. All she hears is crunchy noise until she reads lyric sheets. Then something clicks... we even caught her mouthing the words to some familiar songs at a Tragedy show.
It\'s about socializing, showing solidarity, and helping people who are struggling for the same sort of world that we want. Regardless of what the brand of music is that they favor, is it not?
I guess my thoughts are a bit astray from the main body of the article that was posted by punk planet. However I think it is totally pertinent. Plus I\'ve seen it happen in other areas than just mine. It is pertinent due to the fact that I hear/have heard anarchist folks (punks) at shows, benefits, and wherever else, referring to people as a \"fucking hippy\" or things along those lines. If you\'re about uprooting this motherfucker, it\'s going to take more than anarchist \"punks\" driven by their firm desire to accomplish. Learn to be accepting of others views, lifestlyes, etc, start living a real anarchistic life; and fucking accept those who may not be the same as you are.
Okay, scolding over, the end.
comment by Carlo Tresca
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 28 2003 @ 10:09 PM CDT

I\'ve always had a problem with Emo, and not because of it\'s whiny, alt.rich boy persona that is just as exclusive and fashion-oriented as any pop phenomenom, but for one reason I\'ve expressed ever since I first heard Bright Eyes.

Emo is sexist.

It\'s sexist because it\'s more about being in love with being in love, not the actual person that they\'re deluding into thinking that said love is directed towards.

You can replace the girl, and all Emo band lyricists seem to want is someone there to love, but it doesn\'t matter who. The girl herself is interchangable.

But despite this, the actual girl is the one who gets the anger and bitterness put on her when she dumps his ass.

Much like chivalry, and other patriarchal notions of romance and \"love\", Emo is thoroughly sexist, to the core, with a facade that, unfortunately, is easy to get sucked into due to our socialization towards what love is.

And every emo fan I\'ve told this theory to seems to agree with me, especially the girls.

But they still can\'t help but stand at the back of a Bright Eyes show with folded arms, tapping their foot to his screechy, self-absorbed music.

Carlo Tresca
comment by @Brokecore@
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 12:44 AM CDT
http://www.widerstand.org/
http://www.c8.com


diy electronics/noise/electro/breakcore shit w/ politics and lots of fems kicking the jams.
and best of all, no band photos,cool clothes and pretty people.
smash the spectacle.

\"the cave-like recesses of electronic, DJ or experimental music\"
comment by rise
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 01:31 AM CDT
i reject the leveraged buyout
reject the corporate sellout
reject their lame ass version
of what the fuck this music\'s all about
and make no mistake
all they want is your money
and all they need is your silence
and all they demand is your numb nod of approval
you gonnna hand it to them?

- Sam McPheeters
comment by hacksaw
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 01:41 PM CDT
Pardon me while I attempt to stifle a sarcastic yawning gesture.

I know you can\'t see me, but let me assure you that I failed miserably.

I\'m not a psychology major, so I can\'t explain with absolute certainty why certain types of people look for a sense of purpose or belonging through the music (usually punk) of other people. I also can\'t fully explain why music created by others becomes so personal to the above-mentioned individuals that they tend to think of it as their own private domain. Inevitably, they dissaprove of the musicians at some point and direct an unnessecary bitterness at these imperfect humans for some perceived personal betrayal.

Heck, I can say with honesty that I used to be like that... But that behavior betrays a certain amount of emotional immaturity.

In the end, if there is an artistic void, it must be repaired by filling it. Women will not change music via critique of the male performance. They must become an active participant and change it through the addition of their voice. It is not the responsibility of men to speak for women. It is the responsibility of men to share the platform.

-h
comment by
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 29 2003 @ 01:54 PM CDT
Why the fuck does anyone pay attention to scene politics or the ideological purity of the \"punk/hardcore/emo/blah, blah, blah\" scene anyways? Shouldn\'t we be moving away from these kinds of subcultural ghettoes? I\'m not saying that issues of oppression shouldn\'t be addressed wherever they are found, but there seems to be an obsession among anarchists with the whole \"punk/hardcore\" thing. Like it or not, we should admit that there are alot of radicals or people open to being radicalized who don\'t identify with these scenes.
comment by fuck scenesters
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 30 2003 @ 09:46 PM CDT
The world is ravaged by war, genocide, and famine, but all these fucking assholes care about is their lame subculture. Go fuck yourself.
comment by Old Hat
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 05 2003 @ 01:49 PM CDT
Co-optation is your friend. If you\'re being co-opted, you weren\'t doing anything right in the first place. Cf. bad hardcore in the eighties - what do you expect when you adopt a severe, puritanical image?
comment by Hippo chaser
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, September 19 2003 @ 08:30 AM CDT
Jessica Hopper finished off her emo/feminism/equality speech quite nicely when she said:
\"We deserve better songs than any boy will ever write about us.\"

Now call me cynical, but that seems a bit hypocritical to me?
comment by
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, November 27 2003 @ 06:04 PM CST
who gives a flying fuck about any of this??????
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, November 28 2005 @ 03:12 PM CST
I totally agree about how "emo" has been about girlfriend this, broke my heart that...They're just evil bitches in these songs. Look at, for example, Saves the day "You Vandal". I'm a BIG fan of saves the day's music, but when you consider a song like this being about a girl who left him, she's all within the wrong? There's usually a one sided perspective within these songs. Where's the female perspective within the situation? The only emo band I've picked up with the female perspective is the rocking horse winner. But eh...*shrug*
Now look at jawbreaker's "boxcar". Now...great song, great lyrics, about a girl with a personality and she was kick ass. Someone, I guess, Blake Schwarzenbach really admired, which is something completely different than stupid kid. I really enjoyed reading this. I have recently have been focusing on feminism and trying to be opposed to these set roles in our society we've been given. I'm a man, and I'm sure a woman's life is as hard as it is with the constant pressures of what people expect of their set ideas of gender. Fuck that. I give massive kudos to you for pointing this out. I"m definitely re-thinking a lot of lyrics within bands and songs I like. Bravo *mass applause*
Because I have nothing better to do than critique comments...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, November 28 2005 @ 04:40 PM CST
Even though this thread is 2 years old, and no one will ever read this:
1)This article=dead on. I'm not in favor of any scene bashing, but the hordes of unoriginal scenesters trying to win fame, arrogance, and tail through a signing with victory records by single-mindedly pursuing "love" as a conquest completely demean/objectify women.
We need more bands in every genre with female members - not simply as sex symbols or parading a band along using their sex as a gimmick, but women who actually care about the songs they write/play. I'd like to see more groups where, say the bass player or drummer is a woman - not a piece of eye candy but an actual musician.

2)Here's my bit of scenesterism - as of late, I've been seeing some improvement in the punk scene. Bands like the Soviettes, Tsunami Bomb (they will be missed), and the Epoxies getting some due recognition for their talents raise my hopes for the future. (though I'm sure some will argue that "they're only getting recognition because of their chick-angle" - though I think that may apply more to the Donnas and the Eyeliners)

3)In response to that whole "anarcho-punks bashing other scenes" or "thinking that EVERYONE should be in a scene" thing, well, shit, I'm a punk, and I thought it went without saying that you don't need a specific (or any) community/subculture to be who ever the fuck you wanna be. Some kids identify with them and some kids don't - since when did either side become the only valid option?

4)One last pretentious fuckin' comment - If you know/are a girl interested in music - go start/join a band. Let's revive the D.I.Y. spirit and stop this mindless objectification and exclusion that just lands the scene in the laps of those Hot topic corporate, capitalist fucks. Go out there, make some for-cost records, sing and play about the shit that's important to you, and help build a better, more inclusive, understanding world! (awww... because clearly you needed that little peptalk to transform you from passive misogynists into active feminists. Yup...you couldn't a' done that on your own... nope... needed me...)
Because I have nothing better to do than critique comments...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 12:13 AM CST
My initial reaction was fuck the epoxies, they are the official band of suicide girls. However, that does not seem to be the case anymore. Perhaps they were used and spit out?

I would be interested to know if their was ever an official split.

On the suicide girls: http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20051124091015464&query=suicidegirls
Because I have nothing better to do than critique comments...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 02:02 AM CST
I have spoken to Roxy Epoxy personally on the issue, and the Epoxies are in no way affiliated with the Suicide Girls. There was a photo taken of Roxy in a SG shirt that had been taken by Missy Suicide as a promo picture from some SG-sponsored show in Portland (also where the Epoxies are from) back in the very beginning of the site. In fact, I don't think Roxy cares for SG at all.
Because I have nothing better to do than critique comments...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 10:20 AM CST
I saw the Epoxies a couple of weeks ago. I don't know anything about their politics, but GREEN LASERS WIN!!!!
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 01:45 PM CST
emo sucks thats that...
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 04:11 PM CST
emo doesn't suck, its just a name for a genre its the bands that suck or the fans...its a sick new trend but theres still good emo and listening to it isn't like a sin.

to me all good music is emo...emo=emotional right? well am i wrong about good music having emotion in it? anger, rage, fright, are just as much emotion as sadness and depression. a new term should be made...
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 06:05 PM CST
Yes, all music is emotional. However, by saying all music is "emo", you are killing the self-label "emo". "Emo" is a youth subculture of consumerism and hipsterism.
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 08:56 PM CST
Those who are saying "well, girls should go out and start bands instead of complaining!" are making me laugh.

Do you think this idea hasnt occoured to thousands upon thousands of young women?

The fact is, a female band (or a fairly-split gender band, or even in some cases a female fronted all male band) are competing in a completely different game to the all-guy bands. Girl bands that arnt asthetically pleasing are not booked by clubs or signed by record labels because it is assumed they wont be able to play, that no one will listen because they are girls, no one will watch because they arnt pretty, etc etc etc. Add any stereotype you like.

Ugly guys do ok in bands because the guys in the crowd arnt considering their appearence as a factor in enjoying the show, and girls arnt quite as judgemental (possibly because they are now used to the sight of ugly male musicians.) A girls appearence, however, will inevitably stir discussion amoung men as to whether they like the look of her or not. Due to the complacency most people feel towards sexism these days (what with equal rights and all) they allow themselves the luxery of dismissing them without guilt. Casual misoginy (pardon my spelling) is *fun*.

The girls of course are still listening, but when a band has lost potentially half of an audience that would otherwise dig them, it creates quite a stumbling block.

People are still sexist. This sexism still prevents some women from gaining access to the same benefits as men. THIS is why the hole in the scene is not being filled, and this is the cause of the ennui that would (reasonably so too) stop many would-be female musicians from even trying.

Punk brought with it the first real introduction of women into rock. It opened the doors somewhat: Lets try as men,( i guess, who would like to see more women in underground music)to help open the doors more, what with being part of the very obvious male stranglehold on music, rather than do nothing and wrongly dismiss women as "not trying."

Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29 2005 @ 09:20 PM CST
So I put up a few words on the subject... here that at least try to distill some logic from the mess
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 30 2005 @ 08:25 AM CST
alas, tis a broken link
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 30 2005 @ 11:58 AM CST
the link is good... the site was down for a while. back up now
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 30 2005 @ 09:11 PM CST
The link lead to an interesting read, but I have two qualms. First, to dismiss the effect that the culture of emo has on femenism is a little naive. Indeed, a world where Conner Oberst isnt plying his trade with these kind of songs isnt too difficult to imagine, but you have to remember its not just one guy singing these songs. The purpose of that example was, obviously, to show that if that guy (and therefore emo) was gone, femenism wouldnt be effected in the slightest. Alas, emo isnt that small a genre. Few would argue that rap often portrays women in a bad light, and in my time ive met more than a few girls who play up to that hooker-chique image. And yet, when a simillar spotlight is shone on emo (and therefore, i assume, closer to home) the links are, all of a sudden, not there.

Secondly, yes, blues had simillar tones. The article failed to point out, however, that it has been more than a few decades since blues was at its peek, and I would like to think the populations attitude to women had changed significantly enough since then for it to not warrent comparison in this arguement.

Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 01 2005 @ 04:49 PM CST
this whole emo thing brings the term "irony" to mind.
emo brakes the gender rolls,(such as boys crying,being hurt by women, wearing women's clothes,and being open about emotions in general) all the mean while objectifying,trivializing, and degrading women and the feminist movement.

worse yet it's marketed on the token that this behavior is taboo, and thus punk rock. which, of course it is not.
what's more ironic still, is that after they're done calling women evil and manipulative bitches, they get laid. "ooo! ooo! maybe the next song will be about me!"
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 02 2005 @ 09:26 AM CST
"I wouldnt do that to him! Id treat him right!"
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 02 2005 @ 02:55 PM CST
well there is no accounting for stupid people are there?
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 03 2005 @ 11:55 AM CST
piebald sings about their van
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 03 2005 @ 03:25 PM CST
As far as I can tell there is no predudice. If they happen to be hertosexual males and they are singing about their emotions then it is bound to be a one sided view about a relationship with a female. Just as if a hetrosexual female sang it would be a one sided arguement about a man.
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, December 04 2005 @ 04:04 PM CST
Thats not the point.The problem is that women in these songs are completely Two Dimensional. Of course you can write songs about breakups that critisize your ex.
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 20 2006 @ 06:04 AM CST
To my mind, Hooper's article represents rank hypocrisy of the highest order and is by no means worthy of the attention and praise it has garnered from across the internet.

Firstly, as she correctly observed, 'songs about women' are by no means unique to emo music (whatever that is - I'm still not sure). Secondly, it is not for some uptight feminist (a feminist who is calculatedly and disingenuously exploiting her own agenda at that) to dictate the manner in which other musicians choose to express themselves and their own personal experiences (assuming the scenarios recorded in the songs are indeed genuine).

The third, and most salient point however is the hyopcrisy I have already outlined; Hooper's article conveniently ignores the fact that there are many, many, songs wirtten BY women ABOUT men such as R'n'B pop songs, where men are always liars, cheats or general failures who do not live up to women's expectations (i.e. "not man enough"). However, I doubt we'll be seeing a whiney, melodramatic article written by a man on this subject any time soon (and if such an article was to materialse, you can bet it would not be taken seriously at all). It would appear, then that there is one rule for women and another for men. Ergo, if a man writes a song about a woman, he is a lowlife sexist pig worthy of hell, but if a woman writes a song about a man, then that's perfectly acceptable.

If Hooper's real contention is the lack of female contributors to emo (or whatever), then she could have articulated her point in a much more direct and concise matter. But trying to make a feminist issue on what a musician chooses to write about is just daft.
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 20 2006 @ 12:56 PM CST
her name is hopper dumbass
Emo: Where the Girls Aren't by Jessica Hopper
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 08 2005 @ 01:11 AM CST
Interesting how she name-drops Sunny Day Real Estate when the truth is that
their only records that could be associated with "emo" have lyrics that are far
too abstract and vague to be called "songs about girls." In fact, I'd love for
someone to tell me which songs on either Diary or LP2 could be reasonably
interpreted to be about that subject.
The only thing I can think of is that the word "matrimony" appears in "Friday"
but in context, it could mean practically anything.
toroid
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 09 2006 @ 09:44 AM CDT
george w bush being fucked by pig.:. WMD pics.:.donkey and kim jong il